EccentRick
Banded Mongoose
Someone try to take advantage of the Batteries options from The Imperial Navy book, without noting it?
Excel Ship Designer v2025.05.31
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Maybe?
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Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
I'm getting 361, but that includes screens.I was just about to come back and say I found that. That drops the number to 356. Still off from all the rest.
Also, it is obvious the designer used Commercial settings for Gunners, I'm within rounding errors on that.
Using military manning means there are not enough bunks, even after adding barracks for the marines.
There is not enough space to add sufficient staterooms. The solution, in this case, is to use Custom settings and input the crew levels the designer used.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Thanks! Looks good. The light cruiser still can't hold a full crew but that is a design problem.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Or they need to redesign to actually fit the hull.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
If I drop the number of missile racks from 160 to 120 (or split it so there are at least 40 less turrets total (originally triple missile: 160, triple beam laser: 50, triple sandcaster 25), bump the common area from 267 to 276, and increase the number of double staterooms from 265 to 273, it all fits.
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
I went back and entered everything (I missed the 20 marines). That meant I needed more space so I had to bump the double occupancy staterooms to 277, add a 20-marine barracks, increase the common area to 283, and cut missile storage from 800 tons to 756. Now it all fits.
Here is the original and corrected crew numbers. Custom is what is in the book, Military is what it should be.
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
The book calls for a 24,000-point TL-15 Fusion power plant. Looking at the sheet, that is 11,225 short of what it needs. Seems like a pretty hefty deficit.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
Maybe just do not maneuver while setting up for a Jump? Or get 200 dTons of batteries to supply the J-drive.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
It has 317 tons of cargo space, so that is doable. Not maneuvering while jumping might leave it vulnerable if under attack. The batteries are probably the way to go.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
A feature request for collectors/accumulators. As a military ship might need to jump back out of a system in a hurry and not have the luxury of waiting a week to do so, can there be a way to specify more than one collector/accumulator? I can't imagine someone wanting more than two, but I suppose you never know. They might even make them hot swappable.
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Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
The MgT2e version talks about the particles being collected by a canopy of indeterminate size, so there is something similar, though no mention of deterioration.
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The MgT2e version is vastly more effective than the T5 version. T5 is TL13 for Jump 1. TL14 for Jump 2, etc. Canopy takes 1 hour to deploy or stow,. Accumulates 1/10 of a charge per day. Charge holds 1 day after canopy retracted. T5 does not have accumulators. The canopy stores the charge. After 100 "charges" have been gathered, it degrades so that every subsequent charge takes longer to accumulate until the canopy is replaced. Exposing the canopy to acceleration adds 10 charges to the degradation.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
Ah. Thanks. I have to say I like the concise version MgT2e has better.
J. L. Brown
Emperor Mongoose
I think the collector/accumulator in HGU 2022 p83 is just the 'canopy'. They occupy 1% x J-number (+5 dTons) -- in addition to the J-drive (& J-drive capacitors) itself. So a MgT 2e ship could have several J-drives, and charge them up in sequence with a collector/accumulator. Or, it seems permissible to just buy additional J-Capacitors, and to charge/use those up (in sequence) with a single collector/accumulator.
Terry Mixon
Emperor Mongoose
All that or even have them as a module or pod that could be swapped for a charged set at a starport or mothership.
Arkathan
Emperor Mongoose
It's in the master, so it will be in the next update.
May not remember to announce it, but... just did.
Collectors that are as effective as Mongoose's version largely render hydrogen fuel using ships obsolete. Military vessels being the last hold out because of the need to jump more quickly than the collectors work. Allowing collectors to gather and hold multiple charges and every military vessel in Traveller basically gets about 30% more space as it no longer needs to carry J4 fuel, just the collector accumulators. Doubly so if you let ships collect and then charge other ships' accumulators. Which would be a pretty cool setting.
T5 collectors you could imagine existing in Charted Space without actually displacing other techs, because they are good for certain things but still outclassed in many ways.
T5 collectors you could imagine existing in Charted Space without actually displacing other techs, because they are good for certain things but still outclassed in many ways.
