Evils USMC

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Mr Evil

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note a few usmc minis are missin in pics from squads this was cuz they were lost in the box of mea, i didnt find them till i got around to taking pics of the mea !!

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command section
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snipers (1 of 2 lots)

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other snipers with a AAV (useing pla apc stats for moment)

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Super cobra

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WIP JSF

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I recall seeing an RF-4E during an air defence exercise in Norfolk a few years back. I was stopped in a garden centre and the plane tore across the field on the other side of the road at about 15 feet, throwing up dust trails as it went. Saw an RAF Tornado clip a wing in a tree that same week as well.

Most impressive!
 
DM said:
I recall seeing an RF-4E during an air defence exercise in Norfolk a few years back. I was stopped in a garden centre and the plane tore across the field on the other side of the road at about 15 feet, throwing up dust trails as it went. Saw an RAF Tornado clip a wing in a tree that same week as well.

Most impressive!
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The most impressive sight, or rather sound, I can remember was low flying F-14 Tomcats. And they did not even need to come down that low to send your stomach churning.
 
or an old one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh0OXuaneqk

harriers are still awsome planes i think, just wish they would upgrade them with a few tweeks.

was told once that some pilots take them as low as 12 feet but try to keep above 20 feet from ground level

wonder if the jsf would be as capable ? apparently the euro fighter isnt :(
 
Old Harrier story. About 20 years ago when I was stationed at Lejuene, I was heading out the back gate when a road guard came out of nowhere. A Harrier landed in front of me and was refueled and rearmed right there on the spot. It took off and everyone went back into the tree line. One of the cooler things I've seen.
 
sassgt said:
Old Harrier story. About 20 years ago when I was stationed at Lejuene, I was heading out the back gate when a road guard came out of nowhere. A Harrier landed in front of me and was refueled and rearmed right there on the spot. It took off and everyone went back into the tree line. One of the cooler things I've seen.
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I can imagine that would have been pretty special.... I have seen them perform at air shows and they quite some beast, but thats them showing off rather than just doing what they do....
 
Well talking about Harriers I still remember reading a story (not sure how accurate it is of course) about when the Task Force was dispatched to the Falklands in 1982 that the families of the Sea Harrier pliots were told that there was a high probability that most of them wouldn't be coming back.

That was how high they rated its chances against Argentines land based conventional fighter aircraft. In the event not a single Sea harrier was lost in aerial combat, and thats not saying anything against the Argentine aircrews who (the naval ones especially) were probably the most effective part of the Argentine armed forces in the whole conflict.


Nick
 
Obviously they were hedging their bets on how effective a relatively untried fighter would be, and how well the sidewinder would perform.

As it turned out both did very well, though they probably benefited from the fact that many Argentinean planes would be nearing bingo fuel by the time they engaged them.
 
I watched an Imax show in Vegas about the Red Flag combat excersises the airforce runs and remember seeing an F-16 deplying chaff and having it immediately hit the ground 20 feet below. It was pretty funny!
 
captainsmirk said:
Well talking about Harriers I still remember reading a story (not sure how accurate it is of course) about when the Task Force was dispatched to the Falklands in 1982 that the families of the Sea Harrier pliots were told that there was a high probability that most of them wouldn't be coming back.

That was how high they rated its chances against Argentines land based conventional fighter aircraft. In the event not a single Sea harrier was lost in aerial combat, and thats not saying anything against the Argentine aircrews who (the naval ones especially) were probably the most effective part of the Argentine armed forces in the whole conflict.


Nick
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Funnily enough, I've just read the account of the Falklands air war by the CO of one of the two air wings, 800 and 801 sqdns, embarked upon Invincible, (Sea Harriers over the Falklands by Sharkey Ward) . The two squadrons had very different views of the Harriers capabilities, with the 801 boys being supremly confident in the aircraft, radar and navigation systems and the 800 boys not. It's a very good read and higlights some of the problems and conflicts that appeared within the taskforce.

Ward comments that during the months preceeding the deployment he faough a number of mock dogfights with various aircraft including F15, F16 and Tornados and in close in fights he achieved much better than 1:1 win ratios, I seem to recall he claimed something like 5:1 against the F15's. Bearing in mind that overall he is super-confident overall (a common trait in fighter pilots, so I understand) I think we can probably take the ratios with a pinch of salt, but he does go on to gain 3 air-to air kills during the conflict.

I'm also reading 100 Days by Sandy Woodward, the task force commander, at the moment to get a more "top down" view.

G.
 
Couldn't find the RED FLAG 07-1 results anywhere. There weren't any Harriers there anyway from what I can see (Some Tornado GR4's). There were some AV-8B's and Harrier GR7's due in REDFLAG 07-2, but the GR7 isn't the dogfighter that the Sea Harrier FRS was.

I've no doubt that his claims were inflated, and out of a Harrier and an F16 I know which I'd rather have dogfight in. I suspect in a real knife-fight close-in dogfight the Harrier does have the edge in maneauverability over an F15, but the F15 has that lovely BVR pulse-doppler radar in the nose and those long ranged AMRAAMS on the fuselage hardpoints, so you might have to try a trick or two to get the Harrier in close enough to take advantage of the maneauverability.

I also like the idea that our pilots have that kind of confidence in their machines that he feels he could take on and win against another modern air superiority jet.

G.
 
A pilot who isn't confident in his plane is like a knight who's not entirely sure about his horse.

And actually, I was kinda hinting at the performance of a certain American Warbird... and the OpFor pilots' reaction to it.

I'll scrounge around for the Harrier's performance though..
 
Using BVR radar and missiles to shoot your opponent down from far BVR is not a dogfight in my opinion, thats just an interception...


Nick
 
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