homerjsinnott
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Darran said:
I like the dwarf and duck, but the elf is, I don't know...a bit pubescent the body was ok though.
I couldn't get the rest, just got a logo ina corner
Ps where's Trollkin?
I like the dwarf and duck, but the elf is, I don't know...a bit pubescent the body was ok though.
I couldn't get the rest, just got a logo ina corner
Ps where's Trollkin?
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Only the duck and the dwarf links worked, the rest gave me a "image hosted by blablabla"..
Got it working now. Those are horrible, the way the elf looks. I really, really, really hope Mongoose ignores these. Even the RQ3 Bestiary images are better, and I think most of those images of creatures look like they have escaped from a bad 50's/60's scifi movie.
The dragonewts was sort of ok though in the way they look.
I really hope that Mongoose can come up with images of elves that at least does not look like a bastard of a human and an ent.
But thank you for posting the images.
Got it working now. Those are horrible, the way the elf looks. I really, really, really hope Mongoose ignores these. Even the RQ3 Bestiary images are better, and I think most of those images of creatures look like they have escaped from a bad 50's/60's scifi movie.
The dragonewts was sort of ok though in the way they look.
I really hope that Mongoose can come up with images of elves that at least does not look like a bastard of a human and an ent.
But thank you for posting the images.
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wartorn said:
What exactly do you mean by that, if I may ask?
Wulf Corbett said:
You aren't being fair here, I think. The Elder Secrets box (RQ-3) that gave us plant-like Aldryami and industrialist Mostali was the most awesome RPG product I'd ever got my hands on at the time. Despite the atrocious illustrations, I still rate those books very high.
People who want generic elves/dwarves can play D&D (or Earthdawn, or GURPS, or Hârnmaster...). Glorantha thrives on being, well, Glorantha.
Darran said:
Many of those are absolutely awful (the duck and dwarf pictures from the Hero Wars books) but the birch elves (adults) are totally cool. Whatever Wolf says those are elves I can see living in the forest without shelter.
Many of those links don't work, at least on the mac I'm currently using.
Wulf Corbett said:
So you missed out on the Griffin Mountain ones? The only band of elves I can remember in such detail (there may have been an individual or two in Runemasters).
Wulf Corbett said:
Your Glorantha Will Vary...
The degree of plantness of aldryami appearance doesn't really matter much. Most well-refereed encounters with them will have them shooting and even negotiating out of plant cover, with bush runners as intermediates.
I think you would like the Gloranthan Bestiary drawings.
Besides, that new elf could have been wearing a cap or helmet grown out of a living bush.
My RuneQuest has a need for more humanoid elves, too, but not for Glorantha (except in a magical environment that stresses the man rune appearance over any other elemental or form association).
My old RQ world had both plant spirits and classical starlight-humanoids (as in Tolkien's and various imitators' elves, or in some depictions of Sidhe), with varying vulnerability towards metals, besides the mini-ents (which I called dryami, IIRC - tree people). They were landscape gardeners rather than beings of the wild, though, former spirits gifted with not-quite permanent bodies by their former masters.
Glorantha has celestial fair people, too (in the sky world, and might be stranded on the surface world in some places), and also has potential for Sidhe-like Other Side humanoid embodied spirits (or lesser deities), e.g. in hidden castles. They don't have much to do with aldryami, though, except possibly the aldryami lords one can encounter in the Eternal Battle in Prax.
Archer said:
The artist is attempting to make ducks look 'cool'. Ducks aren't in Glorantha because someone thought "Hey, what's a cool alternative race" - they're there for the (dubious) sake of whimsy and comical effect. To provide an analogy, it's like the artist is attempting to put rims and racing stripes on a minivan. I don't care what you dress a duck in, it remains a duck.
And just to be abundantly clear, I have a troubling and deeply-rooted contempt for ducks.
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Unless they're hiding from me, there are no elves depicted in Griffin Mountain. I haven't checked Griffin Island. In fact, as I believe I own everything in print for Glorantha barring some specific magazines, I am quite sure I have a good idea how Aldryami have been depicted.jorganos said:
Generaly speaking, the older the art, the better...
Wulf
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Ah, yes, those are the ones! Don't like the Green Elf one much, too busty. Although she does lok a bit like a girl I know who is a Wood Elf in a LARP...ned-kogar said:Here are some of the Elf pictures referred to in prvious posts.
RQII - Luise Perrin.
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homerjsinnott
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wartorn said:Archer said:
The artist is attempting to make ducks look 'cool'. Ducks aren't in Glorantha because someone thought "Hey, what's a cool alternative race" - they're there for the (dubious) sake of whimsy and comical effect. To provide an analogy, it's like the artist is attempting to put rims and racing stripes on a minivan. I don't care what you dress a duck in, it remains a duck.
And just to be abundantly clear, I have a troubling and deeply-rooted contempt for ducks.
Really, I never would have noticed. :roll: :roll:
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Adept said:
What if you hate those systems, and great parts of the world, but like much about Glorantha and the RQ system, except for the elves and dwarves that should have been more generic?
What you are saying are pretty much as uncaring and patronizing as saying to the fans who have invested a fortune in AD&D that they have to upgrade to a whole new rules-set (oh!, they did that...), or saying that if yoi do not like the rule-changes that Mongoose has made to the new RQ, you should go back to play RQ1 and not show your face here again.
Give a care. Your point of view is not the only valid one, just as mine is not the only valid one. I think Glorantha would work just as well with generic elves and dwarves as they do with the odd ones.
And evidently it does, since they were more generic in RQ2.
We will see which direction Mongoose has taken with the elves and dwarves.
I only know one thing for certain, I will modify the setting beyond recognition, no matter which path they take. It only becomes a matter of how much work I will have to put into it.
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ned-kogar said:
Except for the Green Elf from the RQ Bestiary, the rest look ok in visual style, even if the artist has used a style that looks rather unfinished and sketchy (in my opinion).
Thank you very much for posting them. It is intresting to see how the elves have varied throughout the different editions of RuneQuest and even HeroQuest/HeroWars.
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wartorn said:Archer said:
The artist is attempting to make ducks look 'cool'. Ducks aren't in Glorantha because someone thought "Hey, what's a cool alternative race" - they're there for the (dubious) sake of whimsy and comical effect. To provide an analogy, it's like the artist is attempting to put rims and racing stripes on a minivan. I don't care what you dress a duck in, it remains a duck.
And just to be abundantly clear, I have a troubling and deeply-rooted contempt for ducks.
Ok, then I understand what you mean.
Yes, the artist has tried to make the duck look cool. But he ends up making it look less of a duck. I can not say that I have any really positive or negative to say about the image. I have seen many much worse images of ducks.
As for ducks as a race. It seems it is an issue that divides roleplayers that play RuneQuest and previous editions of Drakar och Demoner as well. It seems to be an issue where you either like them, or you hate them.
I find that most amusing.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not seeing the problem. As you yourself said, as GMs we can do what we want with our personal campaigns, and with regards to the artwork, the visual depiction of a species seems an awfully minor thing to be concerned over.
I'm not even seeing where there would be any real 'work' involved with making an elf vegetable-based or meat-based, or whether they have bark-like skin or human-like skin. I suppose it might be if the way they handled elves are soooo vastly different they require a completely seperate ruleset, but for now, I'm not seeing that as likely to be the case.
First when talking about mobile plant people, you not only have the Elves Dryads, ect mention aboved but also the so called Red elves or Slorifings(Sometimes called Goblins) So there a fairly wide number of plant people in Glorantha. And as as for Ducks , seems like in every game i have ever played there always at least one person that wants to play a Duck.Ducks do make good rogue types because of their size and stats and full fill the roll that haflings do in modt games.
But Glorrantha and Runequest is a mostly Human centric game and most non Hummans in a majority Human party are going to be a little different from the majority of their race. In my opinion the races that fit in best with a Human party are Trolls, ducks, Baboons and Morokanth( And not Dwarfs and Elves) as they live near each other and oftenworship the same Gods.
But Glorrantha and Runequest is a mostly Human centric game and most non Hummans in a majority Human party are going to be a little different from the majority of their race. In my opinion the races that fit in best with a Human party are Trolls, ducks, Baboons and Morokanth( And not Dwarfs and Elves) as they live near each other and oftenworship the same Gods.
DreadDomain
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Wulf Corbett said:
It's the complete opposite for me. I find the new looks much more interesting and intriguing than the previous vanilla/generic Elves.
Still, it doesn't matter much since we can make then look however we want in our Glorantha.
