Eh?
- Thread starter dant164
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Yes.
Losing 1 AD totally nerfs the ship versus interceptors....
whut? Whatever happened to the wolfpack tactics of WS players?
Ive watched a game of WS vs Chronos. Yes the first WS lost its pulsar fire, but after that it was all over for interceptor like goodiness.
Plus WS get nials to wear down interceptors before the WS itself fires. Armageddon hands you a solution to a problem.
And the SFOS one wasnt considered to be too good. It was too good. Rarely saw it lose a battle. If WS can make standing right in front of Tinashis a viable tactic something is wrong!
Losing 1 AD totally nerfs the ship versus interceptors....
whut? Whatever happened to the wolfpack tactics of WS players?
Ive watched a game of WS vs Chronos. Yes the first WS lost its pulsar fire, but after that it was all over for interceptor like goodiness.
Plus WS get nials to wear down interceptors before the WS itself fires. Armageddon hands you a solution to a problem.
And the SFOS one wasnt considered to be too good. It was too good. Rarely saw it lose a battle. If WS can make standing right in front of Tinashis a viable tactic something is wrong!
White Stars got brought back in line with where every Raid level ship should be. There are other overpowered ships but they're the ones broken, not the White Star any more!dant164 said:
Frankly, you're overreacting unless the only reason you took them was because they were too good!
They were just about the best ship in the game (barring the Tigara) before the changes. Now they are widely considered to be just about balanced. They may have a little less firepower than average and survivability is still slightly better than average but that's where their speed and manoeuvrability comes in to make sure the enemy can't hit them.dant164 said:
dant164
Mongoose
Triggy said:
Over reacting?
I wouldnt mind about the loss of the AD i wouldnt mind if it didnt have fighters, but why take precise and lower the dodge.
Straight comparison between the Armageddon Whtie star and the EA chronos
Hull: Chronos has 1 point higher hull Chronos 1 point
Damage: On the surface the chronos is higher but the 4+ dodge effectively doubles the white stars dammage and crew, then its effectively doubled again by adaptive armour White Star 1 point
Traits: Chronos packs 3 interceptors, White star packs Adaptive Armour (Mentioned Above) Flight computer and AJP, not really interested in the self repair. 1 point all
Weapons: This is the dodgy part and i will probably come under fire for it (Pun not intended)
The White star sports a TD, SAP, Precise beam and the now reduced molecular pulsars, sounds good dont it?
The Chronos sports all round firepower including a turreted main weapon, which means within 12" the chronos should be able to CAF to its hearts content
Matter of opinion but id say the Chronos wins out on that one.... A lot...
Current Score: 2 White star, 3 Chronos
There are other mitigating factors, the white stars are faster, however that can be a detrement as you overfly your target, have to turn around and therefore loose out on caffing that 1 AD beam. The Chronos carries 4 troops so is better at defending against a boarding action.
Overall id say the chronos wins out against the new white stars.
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
What are they, dodge 4+, hull 5, adaptive armour? Probably the best-protected ship at raid level going. Even patrol ships don't have a dodge that good, it's 5+ for the Centauri Haven, and the skirmish level Kutai, and they don't have adaptive armour.
Chronos has twinlinked in nearly every arc, so it doesn't get a whole lot from CAF that it doesn't already.
And I thought the Tournament specs for the white star were pretty good, didn't see the need to drop AD, and Precise AND the dodge, dropping the dodge a touch was pretty decent by itself.
Chern
And I thought the Tournament specs for the white star were pretty good, didn't see the need to drop AD, and Precise AND the dodge, dropping the dodge a touch was pretty decent by itself.
Chern
kritikalfailure
Mongoose
Before the change, I've never seen an ISA fleet lose a campaign battle. The fleet that was in our campaign steamrolled one world after another.
Now they seem about balanced. I'd venture to say the White Star is still one of the best Raid choices in the game due to its Flight Computer, Adaptive Armor, high speed and insane maneuvreability. The fact of the matter is, in my opinion, is that the ship dished out simply too much firepower and was too tough to take down.
As to the White Star vs Chronos debate, I've seen a Chronos-based fleet beat White Stars one time. The White Stars simply dominated the rest of them.
I think they are less of a "no-brains" fleet to play now. You can't simply rush down your opponents throat relying on an insane dodge save to keep you alive while you pound his ships with beams and pulsars.
Now they seem about balanced. I'd venture to say the White Star is still one of the best Raid choices in the game due to its Flight Computer, Adaptive Armor, high speed and insane maneuvreability. The fact of the matter is, in my opinion, is that the ship dished out simply too much firepower and was too tough to take down.
As to the White Star vs Chronos debate, I've seen a Chronos-based fleet beat White Stars one time. The White Stars simply dominated the rest of them.
I think they are less of a "no-brains" fleet to play now. You can't simply rush down your opponents throat relying on an insane dodge save to keep you alive while you pound his ships with beams and pulsars.
Locutus9956
Mongoose
yep. I personally think the Arma whitestar is fine I think it would still be fine with precice pulsars or even all 5 precice pulsars (though I think 4 with precice would be better).
But as someone whos played ISA in various forms over the last couple of years and EA too, frankly interceptors are only a viable defence if your opponent is silly enough to try and take out lots of ships at onc. Focus on one at a time and watch them burn...
And the WS should have had 4+ dodge from the start, 3+ was ridiculous (though dont forget it was 5+ originally!)
But as someone whos played ISA in various forms over the last couple of years and EA too, frankly interceptors are only a viable defence if your opponent is silly enough to try and take out lots of ships at onc. Focus on one at a time and watch them burn...
And the WS should have had 4+ dodge from the start, 3+ was ridiculous (though dont forget it was 5+ originally!)
