Drazi love :)
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Have to agree here...thank you for the Scout, less sure about the idea behind the assault ship. Only one breaching pod and only 4 troops for no guns.
I was somewhat disappointed by the appraoch to the Drazi in the fluff part. I really hate the idea of having a GW Orc approach to them. If they are really as stupid as the fluff is making them out to be they could never have an empire. Other aggressive races would long since have erased them.
On the idea of new Arm. ship...those big pods with the four holes in them, what are they supposed to be. Every other weapon we can identify by looking at the comparable weapon on the Stormfalcon, but those seem to be large missle pods we would expect in a Darkhawk conversion. And it would have made sense they would incorporate that weapon in a War hull, but no such luck. but seriously, what are they supposed to be? Really, they can't be a weapon, we can identify all those as they are just upguns of the stormfalcon.
Ripple
I was somewhat disappointed by the appraoch to the Drazi in the fluff part. I really hate the idea of having a GW Orc approach to them. If they are really as stupid as the fluff is making them out to be they could never have an empire. Other aggressive races would long since have erased them.
On the idea of new Arm. ship...those big pods with the four holes in them, what are they supposed to be. Every other weapon we can identify by looking at the comparable weapon on the Stormfalcon, but those seem to be large missle pods we would expect in a Darkhawk conversion. And it would have made sense they would incorporate that weapon in a War hull, but no such luck. but seriously, what are they supposed to be? Really, they can't be a weapon, we can identify all those as they are just upguns of the stormfalcon.
Ripple
Ripple said:
They are not stupid - but they are single-minded when presented with a problem. Hence the fleet. . .
Locutus9956
Mongoose
Ripple I think you may be underestimating the assault ship, its designed with one purpose in mind but bear in mind its a PATROL LEVEL ship with hull 6 and 20 hit point! Sure it may have no real teeth and to be honest would probably get horribly mauled in most patrol games by enemy fighters but I actually rather like it 
Sorry Matt, maybe that is the wrong word. Single minded in a military situation usually leads to dead fighters, or at least hordes more of your dead soldiers than you enemies.
I just wonder sometimes if they could really hold off anyones aggression without being at least aware that they are horribly vulnerable to fighters. The forward anti-fighter just doesn't do the job, and they do not have enough superiority fighters to expect to win dogfights. They have to know that they need three to one or better odds to beat a Sentry/Nial/Starfury. Maybe if the catapult could hold a star snake it would be different.
Anyway, I am looking forward to the new designs. The assault ship does have a niche purpose, but that was the one thing I did not like. The one breaching pod was not enough to threaten ships, so I can only really use it in station or planetary assualt. Even a full raid point is kinda hard pressed to threaten a ship. Now maybe if it had the catapult off the strikehawk so that breaching pod could leap there...
Ripple
I just wonder sometimes if they could really hold off anyones aggression without being at least aware that they are horribly vulnerable to fighters. The forward anti-fighter just doesn't do the job, and they do not have enough superiority fighters to expect to win dogfights. They have to know that they need three to one or better odds to beat a Sentry/Nial/Starfury. Maybe if the catapult could hold a star snake it would be different.
Anyway, I am looking forward to the new designs. The assault ship does have a niche purpose, but that was the one thing I did not like. The one breaching pod was not enough to threaten ships, so I can only really use it in station or planetary assualt. Even a full raid point is kinda hard pressed to threaten a ship. Now maybe if it had the catapult off the strikehawk so that breaching pod could leap there...
Ripple
dant164
Mongoose
I think Drazi did REALLY well getting the Fireraptor out of armageddon, the thing is a beast for war level, and VERY manouverable for its class, and who cant like the 10 AD double damage and 10 AD twin linked.... they arent even boresight....
A very cool ship
But seriously, what are these two new ship designs, the claweagle and firehawk?
A very cool ship
But seriously, what are these two new ship designs, the claweagle and firehawk?
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
They're not HORRIBLY vulnerable, if you treat them correctly. The average Drazi ship can outpace virtually any fighter, if they apply APtE! - and even if the fighters have Afterburner, they can only apply it once, the Drazi can apply APtE! any time they aren't pointed in the right direction...Ripple said:
Sunhawks are vulnerable, but then they are, virtually, disposable, and just as fast as the much, much tougher Warbird. Slash in at the enemy in 'trains', with each ship covered by the A-F weapons of the one behind it, and a Guardhawk in the rear, then fly out beyond them under APtE!, gning distance to turn and reorganise for another run.
Wulf
Its a nice idea but so far has not worked for me except maybe once in Annihalation where I could apte twice to try and get some range but still took me almost four turns to come back.
Guardhawk/Sunhawk have so far never gotten back there value for me. The Darkhawk has at least been an effective initiative sink, getting me some decent his but has rarely managed to kill a ship of equal value. Of the hawks only the Jump and Solar have really earned my approval.
Strangely enough given some of my rants, I win about four out of ten with the Drazi, with Dilgar/ISA as my primary opponents. I think that is a respectable average vs those two races.
I have not played enough under Arm. rules with the Drazi to give a good accounting yet but will try out the big boy soon. I expect it will preform similar to the Stormfalcon, which earns its points back about half the time.
This is my favorite race, both ascetically and in the show. The basic tactics of the fleet suit me fine and are reliable. If the sunhawk lasted more than a turn you could reliably have initiative sinks but with the numbers of corvans/hermes/vaarls I have seen lately I cannot get initiative sink parity without just giving away the vps in stacks.
And as to the anti-fighter covering the ship in front...not with the bases Mongoose provided. You literally cannot cover far enough to matter, four inches is too short unless your nose to tail and that doesn't work with the amount you have to turn for the boresights on the big bases. Try it for a bit Wulf, use paper cutouts...a lot harder than the smaller scale. If my ships would stay upright with smaller bases I would go for it.
Ripple
Guardhawk/Sunhawk have so far never gotten back there value for me. The Darkhawk has at least been an effective initiative sink, getting me some decent his but has rarely managed to kill a ship of equal value. Of the hawks only the Jump and Solar have really earned my approval.
Strangely enough given some of my rants, I win about four out of ten with the Drazi, with Dilgar/ISA as my primary opponents. I think that is a respectable average vs those two races.
I have not played enough under Arm. rules with the Drazi to give a good accounting yet but will try out the big boy soon. I expect it will preform similar to the Stormfalcon, which earns its points back about half the time.
This is my favorite race, both ascetically and in the show. The basic tactics of the fleet suit me fine and are reliable. If the sunhawk lasted more than a turn you could reliably have initiative sinks but with the numbers of corvans/hermes/vaarls I have seen lately I cannot get initiative sink parity without just giving away the vps in stacks.
And as to the anti-fighter covering the ship in front...not with the bases Mongoose provided. You literally cannot cover far enough to matter, four inches is too short unless your nose to tail and that doesn't work with the amount you have to turn for the boresights on the big bases. Try it for a bit Wulf, use paper cutouts...a lot harder than the smaller scale. If my ships would stay upright with smaller bases I would go for it.
Ripple
Greg Smith
Mongoose
dant164 said:
A sneak preview?
WickedE
Mongoose
The Claweagle is also in the B5RPG Ships of the Galaxy book. Basically, where a whitestar can dance along a ships hull, the Claweagle SINKS in and just goes to work shooting. It has these huge claws, from what I've read, that literally latch itself into a ships hull while the Claweagle fires more and more...and boards.
You do get a fair number per wing, but purchased wings are generally regarded around here as gifts of vps to your enemeis. Ship based fighters on the other hand tend to be worth something, as you can put them in harms way without giving away vps. Now the Stormfalcon does carry a couple star snakes, and the night falcon as well and the new ship has four. So not so bad once you hit the high end.
We could be wrong about the purchased sets value, but not as yet. The new Arm. rules may have given them some more life but we still are feeling that the ship based ones are a MUCH greater value, as they aviod the biggest weakness of fighter wings...ie the vp issue. At least a damaged patrol ship might crawl off in the corner and hide, wings give away all their points at the first hit.
That and patrol ships allow boresights to find a target. Wings do too little for you as far as adding tactical flexibility to your force.
Gah...late night ramble....
Star snake not so bad as a fighter...just need a carrier that carries more of them or a fleet carrier to bring them back when they inevitably get jumped by the more advanced races (read higher initiative) and end up in one on ones they cannot win.
Ripple
- and yes the drazi ships do have that set of red stripes...did not really help the 'we are not orcs!' lobby's efforts did it.
We could be wrong about the purchased sets value, but not as yet. The new Arm. rules may have given them some more life but we still are feeling that the ship based ones are a MUCH greater value, as they aviod the biggest weakness of fighter wings...ie the vp issue. At least a damaged patrol ship might crawl off in the corner and hide, wings give away all their points at the first hit.
That and patrol ships allow boresights to find a target. Wings do too little for you as far as adding tactical flexibility to your force.
Gah...late night ramble....
Star snake not so bad as a fighter...just need a carrier that carries more of them or a fleet carrier to bring them back when they inevitably get jumped by the more advanced races (read higher initiative) and end up in one on ones they cannot win.
Ripple
- and yes the drazi ships do have that set of red stripes...did not really help the 'we are not orcs!' lobby's efforts did it.
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
I am actually suggesting literal base-to-base contact. It DOES work, it's bloody hard to keep the train intact, but then no plan is foolproof*.Ripple said:
Wulf
* because fools are so damn ingenious.
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Claweagle. Think of a ship-sized Breaching Pod, but armed - and still firing while it's clamped on!dant164 said:Claweagle and Firehawk?
Inquiring minds need to know
Firehawk. Not telling :twisted:
Wulf
captainsmirk
Mongoose
To get the Claweagle wouldn't they have to add the Stareagle that its a variant of first...
Nick
Nick
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
You don't HAVE to have the original to include the variants. Let's face it, the Stareagle would be a Patrol PL ship that was even LESS powerful than a Sunhawk. Who would want it?captainsmirk said:
Wulf
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