Do you change rules for purposes of Canon???

[emperorpenguin]

I'm not an EA whinger :wink:

I just think that canon = no boresight and I find (especially when using Drazi swarms) them to be a pain to remember

If it were up to me (and it isn't) I'd go with the 6 arcs of Full Thrust so forward is only 60 degrees not 90 and have them all forward

 

[katadder]

well i have no problem with no boresight, but then lowering the boresight fleets in line with everyone else then. but I am not going for the advantage to boresight ships that peopple have mentioned.

oh and on CAF, lets take a average forearc ships like the centurion CAFed against a hull 6 ship compared to a hyperion having to line up its shot.
the centurion on average will get 1 hit 1st time round, rerolling a 50/50 chance from there so 1.5 hits from the CAFed centurion compared to the hyperions 2 hits from 4AD on average.
what more do you want?

and if you really wanna use the sullust for examples let use the olympus gunship too as they are both sniper roles.
sullust CAFed- 2 hits, with reroll another 1 for 3 hits, then 1 the next round =total 4
Olympus - 3 hits average, with another 1 next round = total 4

yep thats right, boresight aint so bad.

 

[emperorpenguin]

well i have no problem with no boresight, but then lowering the boresight fleets in line with everyone else then. but I am not going for the advantage to boresight ships that peopple have mentioned..

I agree with you there, I don't like the idea of two modes of fire

 

[vitalis6969]

yep thats right, boresight aint so bad.

Unless of course, you are trying to line up the shot :evil:

Then boresight sux big time.

Your above example sights damage only, it does not take into account the fact that the boresight ship had to spend fp's on initiative sinks and that it had to be in the right place at the right time to bring the big guns to bear.

-V

 

[katadder]

who doesnt use init sinks? even the dread centauri beam team does in the form of corvans and maximus. and as I have also said i have won with a 5 hyperion fleet.
a hypeiron or olympus should always have something lined up unless its the 1st ship you move.

 

[Da Boss]

I really cannot believe how much some of the EA players have problems with boresights. when using them I never really do. and when using narn i never really do. in a game today I even managed a double boresight with a hyperion, which is actually alot easier than these EA whingers would make out.

Whinging is a little strong - to be honest when the best gun on your ship is not able to fire half the time it is very annoying. I agree it is possible to use them but harder than for the "superior" (sorry ) races such as the Centauri and the Minbari, never mind the Ancients. Especially annoying when its on a big war level+ ship.
I thought the idea of a Boresight trait was interesting and would work well - if wanted. The present arc system is nice and easy to use and would far prefer guns that could shoot F/P/S than changing the degree of present angles.
Of course I can imagine it would also a big restart in the whole playtesting angle if boresights are comepltely removed?

 

[vitalis6969]

who doesnt use init sinks? even the dread centauri beam team does in the form of corvans and maximus. and as I have also said i have won with a 5 hyperion fleet.
a hypeiron or olympus should always have something lined up unless its the 1st ship you move.

Yeah, but they may not be using them JUST to line up another ship to be able to shoot its primary weapon.

Boresight weapons cause one of two things, either the main weapon cannot fire half of the time or your cruisers wind up doing a drunken zig-zag down the board. :roll:

It also means you must always take numbers numbers numbers... hence the infamous bat squad. But if I wanted to take three G'Quons all alone into the fight it would be suicide as the main weapon is just this side of useless (boresight, 3AD). And no, Im not considering its secondary weapons or the retarded e-mine in this example.

-V

 

[Tank]

@Katadder

I had a comma in the wrong place, if we are talking about beams then interceptors do not count. And yes I am fully aware that a comparison between the sullust and hyperion in 2e is moot but we weren't talking 2e (as far as I am aware.)

Also if you wanna compare the gunship to the Centauri then I suggest you factor in the +3 Initiative bonus and see how often the gunship doesnt get to fire, I beleive we are loooking at ship to ship comparisons yes?

Just to be clear on my position, I personally have no problems with boresights, I have used them to good effect in several tournaments but sometimes people seem to overlook the fact that Boresighted ships effectively cannot use the full range of SA's available.

@CZuschlag

Yes I know the Prefect is broken but it is an example, even against the Centurion or Sulust the Hyperion will fare worse as its main weaponry is the beams which are outranged by all the Centauri equivilants. The Dargan is about the only comparable ship in the Centauri list to the Hyperion and I would still put odds on that.

And I know that there are non beam armed ships that are nasty but I thought this was a comparison against beam ships.