Dirty Tactics.

yep most tourneys recommend ship sheets but theyre not ESSENTIAL. You should at least have some kind of list for your ships and their stats though.

Oh and thought of the most dirty tactic I've ever actually employed in a game:

SFoS/Tourney list rules, blockade run against Brakiri (I was the 'runner') at Skirmish level.

I fielded 1 Delphi scout and left any remaining points I had alone. (cant remember exactly how many FP you get in that scenario off hand). I came on as far from his big guns and fighters as possible and just went APTE right from the start. 18" move with stealth 5+ (so he needed a 6 to even target me with the few ships he had) and pegged it straight for the opposite board edge. As it happens he got lucky on turn 3 and nailed me with an Avioki main beam and won the game but I still consider it a fairly cheesy force on my part (no matter HOW sensible (and indeed probably what EA WOULD do to try and slip past a blockade)
 
(@ Burger) Oh was that just before he played Reaverman? Yeah I told him to do that cos I told him Reaverman gets upset when large amounts of dice are rolled at him at once ;)

Dirtiest tactics I've seen in other games are JPB's and moving a fighter flight off the board at the start of the game to prevent any chance of a 20-0 defeat in a tournament.

Dirtiest tactics I've done...um...well in that last tourney at Milton Keynes I did something that didn't impress my opponent. I was using Shadows, he was using Drakh so I figured I'd sit back for a turn or two and wait for my opponent to come for me...he refused to do so, getting extremely agitated (swearing and quite angry) that I just wouldn't charge down the board at him.

I waited until turn 7, came forward and destroyed just enough ships to claim a 10 point victory (he almost killed both Hunter and Scout in just two rounds of firing, hence my reluctance to face 10 round of beam death!)

I genuinely didn't understand why he was so angry - nothing prevented him from coming towards me, foiling my easily countered strategy, and kicking my Shadow ass as the next Drakh player I played did convincingly!

I don't really know what his problem was with my tactic, after all it's not like I could have avoided him if he came towards me himself...he seemed genuinely upset I wasn't coming straight towards him and complete with swearing and calling my tactic, "s***").

So I guess that counts as a dirty tactic :) Oh well...I got zero sportmanship award for my trouble there - to be honest I'd much rather have a fun chilled out game than win so I think I might just concede if I draw up against that guy in another tourney.

Hey do psychological tactics count as dirty tactics too ;)
 
Hash said:
Dirtiest tactics I've done...um...well in that last tourney at Milton Keynes I did something that didn't impress my opponent ... he seemed genuinely upset I wasn't coming straight towards him and complete with swearing and calling my tactic, "s***").
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Using "all stop" is a perfectly fine tactic AFAIK... so is going into asteroids, dust clouds, orbiting planets... its called manouvering. He must be some kind of weirdo freak to call that cheating. And it evidently wasn't s*** if it won you the game ;)

Was that against your arch-nemesis by any chance?
 
Hash said:
(@ Burger) Oh was that just before he played Reaverman? Yeah I told him to do that cos I told him Reaverman gets upset when large amounts of dice are rolled at him at once ;)
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That was like bloody chinese water torture, its not like he rolled them quickly either. He'd sit there, and slowly count the hits. Then he'd tell me the rules, as he went along. So I was being made to suck eggs too :twisted:

Though he was not a bad guy, and he was not trying to piss me off :)

As for the Drakh player, well I think he should have got Zero sportsman point, rather than Hash. There was absoloutely no need for the abuse, for any reason. I witnessed the same player, getting a little narked in MoW. Why, because TGT would not swap opponents. The Tourney relies on the 'Swiss system', and swapping around defeats the who point of using.
 
Burger said:
Was that against your arch-nemesis by any chance?
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Nah, he didn't accuse me of cheating (I obviously wasn't), just that the tactic was a big pile of poo slightly less politely :) It was, a guy I just met there, coincidently, the same guy Digger is upset with...not that this is a person bashing thread!
 
Reaverman said:
As for the Drakh player, well I think he should have got Zero sportsman point, rather than Hash. There was absoloutely no need for the abuse, for any reason.
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Thats the inherant flaw in the sportsmanship points system. Bad sportsmen can give perfectly good players 0, just because they lost the game or whatever, and say "I didn't enjoy the game" as a reason if queried. Whereas good sportsmen tend to give higher points just to be friendly, even if the opponent was totally not deserving (although in this case I'm sure Hash returned the 0 pts favour??)
 
Burger said:
Reaverman said:
As for the Drakh player, well I think he should have got Zero sportsman point, rather than Hash. There was absoloutely no need for the abuse, for any reason.
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Thats the inherant flaw in the sportsmanship points system. Bad sportsmen can give perfectly good players 0, just because they lost the game or whatever, and say "I didn't enjoy the game" as a reason if queried. Whereas good sportsmen tend to give higher points just to be friendly, even if the opponent was totally not deserving (although in this case I'm sure Hash returned the 0 pts favour??)
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Yeah, I think the sportsmanship award should be awarded by a third party. Maybe, each player votes for one person in the tourney they did not play. Then at the end of the tourney, that player gets a "Best Sportsman" Award
 
Hash said:
Burger said:
(although in this case I'm sure Hash returned the 0 pts favour??)
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:oops: No...I wussed out.
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Hash, you're just like me then (I've done things like give in to an opponent blatantly being wrong before just to get him off my back). Ben has commented before in other game systems that there are some matchups he just can't win so he hedgehogs up and forces the opponent to come to him. Suffice to say he expects a win as the opponent *never* stays back as they want a fun game! In this specific case I really didn't want to get involved as I felt you dealt with the game perfectly, you played the correct tactics, you didn't rise to the language and you were a gentleman. Suffice to say he was pissed off afterwards but couldn't really discretely say why.
 
I would simply say that Minbari (or other races with AJP) Jump Point Bombing is completely disgusting and needs to get changed. Its an attack that has no range, no line of sight, no arcs, and no way to counter or avoid it.

Other then that, I played a game where the scenario was Space Superoirity (capture board sections). Other person took a space station, and sat it down on the far board edge. I proceded to destroy his ships that could move, and then, rather then attack his station, just controlled the rest of the map. Ended up winning by VPs from holding table edges. The Space Station didn't do a single point of damage the whole game. Although not really dirty, it certainly wasn't nice to him.

Then, since it was a Campaign game, I took control of the Point, and got a completely undamaged Space station, for free.

He wasn't very happy.
 
voodoomachine said:
I would simply say that Minbari (or other races with AJP) Jump Point Bombing is completely disgusting and needs to get changed.
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I think JP is nasty, but its survivable. You just need to space ships, and hold back your own ships. That way, you can do it back to him. Also its not Minbari that you want to worry about, its those Vree Varrls and Centauri Corvans you want to watch out for. In a Raid level battle, thats at least 3 JP attacks. In fact you could have a Vree/Centuari fleet, with about 2 points in Hyperspace, giving you more Damage per ship than they could muster on the table and they would not get touched.

But I totally agree, it gets used way to often. Considering its a rare, of never possible attack (as mentioned in the show)

voodoomachine said:
Its an attack that has no range, no line of sight, no arcs, and no way to counter or avoid it.
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Well they sort of have, its a 4" blast template, with a forward arc. It can also be avoided if you ship has dodge, so ISA and some patrol/Skirmish level ships can ;)
 
Also its CAN scatter now (however unlikely) even with AJPs. And there are plenty of ways to counter it. Try this one possition some ships in such a way that anything that jumps in and JP bombs some of your smaller ships then has something huge and very heavily armed behind the...

In all honesty I think about 90% of everyone who complains about JP bombing has never used or had it used on them, they just look at it in the rulebook and jump to the conclusion that it is way more effective than it, in practice, actually IS.
 
i've had it used against me on numerous occassions, I hate's it (mostly coz Early EA have a harder time reciprocating), it should be banned!!! outright!!
 
JP bombs are highly overrated, they can act as a free shot sure, but its only 6 AD not AP or SAP, your ships are off the board that turn, its just a one-off attack, and it means your ships arrive onto the board in a strategically bad position. But, the 4" blast radius is a bit silly; its the same size as an Earth-like planet in the game. JP's in the show clearly don't have blast radius of anywhere near that big, otherwise B5 would get blown to pieces every time something jumped in! I'd reduce it to 1" or 2" maximum.

Makes you wonder how e-mines and exploding ships can have a 4" blast radius, too...
 
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