Crusade EA

[H]

this increasing the typo's! :twisted:

 

[Locutus9956]

It shouldnt really, after all you only need to publish the fleet LISTS not reprint all the stats for each ship that appears in multiple lists several times (that did mildly piss me off with Armageddon tbh...) Simply put though only the Narns and Centauri really have enough ships in their list to even consider splitting them though.

Still I wouldnt mind the idea of a Lion of the Galaxy era Centauri, a Narn Centauri War era list and a Drakh control era list.

The Narns could have uprising era (with lots of salavaged, retrofitted centauri hulks), Narn Centauri War era and an ISA Membership era list. If you look at SFoS both races have almost as many as Earth do anyway (they do in fact have many MORE actual hull types and adding a few more varients wouldnt be that hard).

 

[emperorpenguin]

It shouldnt really, after all you only need to publish the fleet LISTS not reprint all the stats for each ship that appears in multiple lists several times (that did mildly piss me off with Armageddon tbh...) Simply put though only the Narns and Centauri really have enough ships in their list to even consider splitting them though..

I think you'll find in 2nd ed that not including the stats would be a problem....... :wink:

Still I wouldnt mind the idea of a Lion of the Galaxy era Centauri, a Narn Centauri War era list and a Drakh control era list

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I think an Earth-Minbari War style book might suit that better

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

well you could even do it as an appendix, optional fleet rules listing the eras each ship is avialible in. Or even as a S&P article...

 

[Locutus9956]

It shouldnt really, after all you only need to publish the fleet LISTS not reprint all the stats for each ship that appears in multiple lists several times (that did mildly piss me off with Armageddon tbh...) Simply put though only the Narns and Centauri really have enough ships in their list to even consider splitting them though..

I think you'll find in 2nd ed that not including the stats would be a problem....... :wink:

Yes but surely you dont need to print the stats for the SAME ship multiple times in one book? The Omega for example is reprinted EXACTLY word for word in both the 3rd Age and the Crusade list.... The Starfury is reprinted THREE TIMES!

 

[emperorpenguin]

Yes but surely you dont need to print the stats for the SAME ship multiple times in one book? The Omega for example is reprinted EXACTLY word for word in both the 3rd Age and the Crusade list.... The Starfury is reprinted THREE TIMES!

But what if it wasn't the same ship?

 

[Burger]

Yes but surely you dont need to print the stats for the SAME ship multiple times in one book? The Omega for example is reprinted EXACTLY word for word in both the 3rd Age and the Crusade list.... The Starfury is reprinted THREE TIMES!

The Hyperion has some typos fixed in the different versions.

 

[Locutus9956]

then fair enough but in my opinion it shouldnt be CALLED the same thing then it should be an Omega beta or something like that.

You could still do various lists some of which would have different stated ships and some of which wouldn't.

And last but not least I can't say I would mind having a bigger book personally

 

[Shadow Queen]

beta thats sev.com.au's data

 

[emperorpenguin]

How would you break down the Centauri anyway?

Pre 2247
Altarian
Elutarian
Magnus
Balvarin
Centurion
Prefect
Corvan
Demos
Haven
Kutai
Maximus
Morgrath
Octurion
Primus
Razik
Sentri
Sulust
Vorchan
Vorchat

3rd Age
Balvarix
Dargan
Darkner
Amar
Liati
Secundus
Tertius
Rutarian

Crusade
Adira
Vorchar

That's according to the ISDs

The vast bulk of the fleet is in the early period

 

[Lord David the Denied]

None of it would matter if the in service dates were mandatory...

 

[emperorpenguin]

None of it would matter if the in service dates were mandatory...

but then Dilgar players would fight almost no-one. There'd be problems with Vorlons and Shadows and the ISA and Drakh

It'd not work for tournaments

 

[Lord David the Denied]

Dilgar would have EA, League, Centauri and the First Ones to play with. Drakh should have in service dates as early as the Shadows. ISA would have Drakh and all the younger races to play with.

I don't see a problem there...

 

[emperorpenguin]

Dilgar would have EA, League, Centauri and the First Ones to play with. Drakh should have in service dates as early as the Shadows. ISA would have Drakh and all the younger races to play with.

I don't see a problem there...

Well I see a problem, Dilgar would only be able to fight a fraction of the available fleets, how'd that work in a tournament!?

 

[Triggy]

None of it would matter if the in service dates were mandatory...

Of course, none of the rules are "mandatory" and it's a matter of perspective as to what each individual wants out of the game. For friendly pick up games often the fluff isn't as important as having a knock about. With a little more time, games can be much more entertaining with a simple background based on the forces and the mission (and campaign). This is where players should feel that in service dates are relevant.

BTW, the worst offending matchup would probably be Crusade EA vs Early Years EA!

 

[CodeofArms]

perhaps the Chronos is worth a second look,

Its well worth it; I find it to be one of the best 'Crusade' ships in both look, feel and firepower; its tough and works well in any fleet and performs several roles better than an Artemis or Olympus ever could. The Nova's disapperance however is frustrating since i'd rather have a lower hull and higher D/C scores than what the chronos provides.

By far its best feature though is that its all round firepower should NOT generally be used to CAF but rather to allow it to manuever to carefully avoid enemy fire arcs while still returning fire no matter what direction youre facing. Ive take a Primus down with one 1 on 1......

Interesting tactic; I suppose its how you use the ships; i find that they (Chronos) work best as an anti-escort vessle with CAF an essential twinlink barrage of railguns the key to ensure I put down what i'm fighting before it gets back up.

I understand from a fluff stand point the EA being divided into 3 fleets but it seems like it was more a way of just nerfing the EA.

It does seem that way; I dislike loseing variants over the Eras especially since some vessles work well together in a more rounded fleet (I found Olympus Gunships work well In third age alongside hyperions but strictly reading the lists I can't take them :x) I dislike the idea that the EA in game terms is one 'big fleet' but mechanics wise is divided into the 3 sub-fleets. What is worse is that the changing initiative through the Era's it makes it hard to justify adding a fourth option; a 'non-era' fleet with the standard +1 initiative of SFOS (why bother taking an Early Era when i could take a 'complete fleet' and skim the best EA ships from the early period?).

I wouldn't say Earth has been nerfed too much one way or the other; not even with the improved starfuries stats, which I hope never goes away because people who whine about fighters are either a) Unprepared to deal with them or b) A race without any in the first place. IMO they are integral to an EA fleet in a way much different to that of others.

I dont know it seems like the fighters ignoring stealth at 1" rule and fighters shooting first, which had the effect of nerfing the Minbari even after the stealth rules were changed(I know scouts have stealth too, but thats one ship per fleet vs. the entire fleet). Rules changes that only target one fleet and makes that fleet worse overall isnt generally a good rule in my opinion...unless that fleet basically was an instant win fleet prior to the rule change.

I like your argument here, but i feel inclinded to disagree that the Minbari have been nerfed; alot of the time the crucial secondary barrages of ships goes goes to waste on stealth rolls; and even if you do get through a Hull 5 ship with 30+ damage and crew is not so easily overcome. All races must therfore rely on tricks to bypass Minbari stealth and I feel the new stealth rolls at least give you a chance against the Dragons such as the fighter 1 inch rule, where previously, it generally made no sense for fighters not to 'See' the minbari they are engaging since they have a big window to visually identify the target.

Further more, as a fleet overall the EA only come with ships with a single 'combat' weapon with special abilities; Artemis (Railguns), Sagi (Missile type), Olympus Gunship (Beam). Other races generally have a variety of secondary weapons with their own unique abilities; I personally do not rate twin-link as a winning ability since a special action can do it for you. Unless it was to get a stealth reroll, which will never happen. My point is that EA ships are used as a strike force working in unison; once you get on the back-foot its often hard to recover. Where-as other races can mix and match a fleet, loose a few ships and come back to not do too badly. [/quote]

 

[Balance]

If the Centauri fleet list was broken into era-specific lists, I'd expect the lists to be themed as follows:

• 
  Early Era (Basically, the ships seen in the series.)
  Emperor Mollari's Reign (The war machine built during the isolationist period of Drakh control. Perhaps some access to Drakh allies?)
  Emperor Cotto's Reign (Trying to make amends. Likely a simplified updated fleet to represent a new era and a new power balance among the Centauri.)

This is, of course, only my opinion.

 

[angelus2000]

I always did wonder about older ships disapperance from one EA list to another. Is there anything stopping creating one set of Nova Stats for one era, and another set for another?

If anything, it may solve some crusade era problems. Skirmish PL statted Novas (hull 4 maybe, downrated weapons) and smae for the Hyperions would fit the bill nicely.

 

[Target]

Rather have a Olympus than Chronos. The Chronos is way to slow/fragile to be of any use for it's short ranged firepower. I secretly snigger when a chronos is played against me. You can ignore them for a bit, destroy the ships it's meant to escort then finish it off in a turn before it fires. least the oly gets to shoot and can survive crits far easier then the chronos. It really does need a missle rack or way more speed or just more hits and crew. Compare it to Altarian and it's variants or even the overpowered Prefect. It just doesn't come close in anyway what so ever.

 

[captainsmirk]

Is there anything stopping creating one set of Nova Stats for one era, and another set for another?

On that note it would be nice to have a period specific Hyperion for Early EA, like the Avenger...

Nick