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Methos5000

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So why is the Nova not in Crusade Era? I know its an old ship but this is another bad example of the fluff not really meaning anything to the game. It state that several Novas were present when the Drahk attacked Earth. And then I guess a year later the EA decided to scrap every single remaining raid level dreadnought and replace with an Armageddon level Warlock....gee thanks....

And while Im here all ask this too, is any other race going to be divided up into eras? Because the combined fleet choices of the SFOS EA is about 28 ships, with 2 fighter choices and 3 starbase choices(though one of the choices is a replacement for the other one, and I dont see how you could have more than one Babylon 5 station anyway), and the Centauri have 26 ships in SFOS with 3 fighter choices and 1 starbase choice(30 ships in Arma.), and the Narn have 19 ships with 2 fighters and 1 starbase choice(21 ships in Arma.).

But the new 3 Era EA has 19 ships in the Early Era with 1 fighter and starbase choice, there are 16 in the Third Age with 2 fighters and 3 starbase choices and finally the Crusade Era has 13 with 2 fighter and 2 starbase choices. Which all in all is a fair number of ships to choose from but the EA pretty much seems to have to sacrifice the customization that the EA needs to do to combat certain opponents. I mean it wouldnt be so bad if the EA could use ships from early ages that dont have a decommishion date on them, but really in crusade era is there anything worth taking other then the Marathon and Apollo (I dont count the omega because its in Third age and the Marathon has a much higher damage potential) and those are both battle level choices. From what I have seen the Chronos is a far to fragile ship to accomplish what it needs to do, plus its slower than the ships its suppose to escort.

I think it would be alot better if the Nova was available in Crusade and the Sag was available in Third Age (since apparently the EA decided they didnt need a missle boat for 20 years)

And I dont even play EA.

edit: that was a bit more of a rant than I intended, I mainly made the post to ask about the nova and then it just kinda grew from there, I guess that what happens when your stuck at work by yourself on a holiday :P
 
The Chronos is a tough little ship so I wouldn't rule it out too quickly; recently four of them help me defeat a Centari Tertius with a load of beam orientated escorts in a 5pts Battle level Annihilation game. They don't replace the Nova but are just as good in my opinion if used patiently. Their speed is not such an issue seeing as they escort Marathons and Omegas which are both sniper vessles and don't move too far around the board, Hyperions are more than capable looking after their own. At Speed 8 the Chronos goes well with an APTE and a turreted railgun just begs for a CAF special action.

As for the Nova I agree with you that its seems strange to scrap them but they are easily supplemented with Pulse Omegas. Adding it to the fleet list is not a problem in my view and i don't see why people get fussy about swapping a few ships around; if necessary just go a SFOS fleet using Armageddon stats. Much like adding Olympus gunships for the 3rd Age (where they shine the best imo), vessles just don't up and disappear and with the Crusade for a Cure the EA would work off the principal that if it can fly it will be put to use.

I doubt any other fleet list will be divided. The Earth Alliance developed so quickly over a short period and hence has a great series of technological leaps represented in the fleet lists (doesn't fluff taste so empty?). If you were to split say the Minbari into various categories you'd have to wait several thousand years before anyone has develop spacefaring technology barring the ancients.
 
captainsmirk said:
Perhaps the few surviving Nova's were destroyed in that battle...

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I would be fine with that if the ISD for the Nova ended in 2266, but it doesnt, along with about a dozen other ships that do not have a decommission date, but can no longer be used by the EA in Crusade Era, even the Sag in Early years doesnt have a decommission date.
 
CodeofArms, your views on it seem better then mine, perhaps the Chronos is worth a second look, and I understand from a fluff stand point the EA being divided into 3 fleets but it seems like it was more a way of just nerfing the EA.

I can understand the Minbari fleet not being divided up, but at the very least the Centauri go through a major shift in fleet policies as well after certain 'allies' of theirs start adding technology to some of their ships.

I dont know it seems like the fighters ignoring stealth at 1" rule and fighters shooting first, which had the effect of nerfing the Minbari even after the stealth rules were changed(I know scouts have stealth too, but thats one ship per fleet vs. the entire fleet). Rules changes that only target one fleet and makes that fleet worse overall isnt generally a good rule in my opinion...unless that fleet basically was an instant win fleet prior to the rule change.
 
You have to remember that in the fictional universe, the in-game priority levels of ships have no bearing. EA Admirality didn't turn around and say that they couldn't relace Novae with Warlocks because Warlocks cost so many more points. Not that they replaced Novae with Warlocks anyway - the EA fleet philosophy seems to be to bump ships down into supporting roles as newer models come online. The Warlock is intended to replace the Omega as the line warship, bumping the Omega into the support role formerly occupied by the Nova and hyperion, which were line ships propr to the Omega's introduction.
 
Well I understand that and I dont have a problem with them bumping some ships up a priority level but the fluff for the warlock does say its a replacement for the Nova.

Also in the fiction universe they wouldn't just decide to in say, 2267, okay we dont need any of these old ships anymore, destroy ALL of them, they would be phased out as the newer ships came into service until they had replacements for all the ships, but the ships would be around defending lower priority targets until more of the new line ships were built.

Thats the part that bugs me the most is the all or nothing mentality of the ships, if there was an overlap of say 5 or 6 years into each era where ships of the earlier era could still be used, in limited numbers since they are being phased out, then it wouldnt be so bad.
 
Methos5000 said:
I would be fine with that if the ISD for the Nova ended in 2266, but it doesnt, along with about a dozen other ships that do not have a decommission date, but can no longer be used by the EA in Crusade Era, even the Sag in Early years doesnt have a decommission date.
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ok, first off, i must apologize for my actions and what im going to say, but that being said, i am a RL friend of Methos5k, so that is why i feel i can say this. but, that is about the nerdiest statement i have ever seen and/or read.....
 
The Nova was no longer a ship of the line and relegated to system patrol duties in the Sol and Proxima systems. They are a part of the individual planetary defense systems, and not part of the Earth Alliance military any more.
 
Methos5000 said:
Well I understand that and I dont have a problem with them bumping some ships up a priority level but the fluff for the warlock does say its a replacement for the Nova.
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It's not - it's a replacement for the Omega, which replaced the Nova and Hyperion. Each time the EA introduced a new line ship, they bumped the previous one down into an escort role.

Also in the fiction universe they wouldn't just decide to in say, 2267, okay we dont need any of these old ships anymore, destroy ALL of them, they would be phased out as the newer ships came into service until they had replacements for all the ships, but the ships would be around defending lower priority targets until more of the new line ships were built.

Thats the part that bugs me the most is the all or nothing mentality of the ships, if there was an overlap of say 5 or 6 years into each era where ships of the earlier era could still be used, in limited numbers since they are being phased out, then it wouldnt be so bad.
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Presumably there were too few Novae left or mechanical problems with the class where it no longer became cost-effective to maintain them - same way various classes of real-life aircraft and ships are decommissioned before they're all destroyed.
 
The Chronos does eveything the Nova does but better (with the exception of bringing fighters to the party..)

It may LOOK more fragile but trust me, its not. Against beam armed opponents its a bit more fragile possibly but against anyone else its damn tough to destroy. It will pop under heavy fire but if you stop and look at just how much fire it absorbed generally when it goes boom you may find yourself surprised.

On top of that it has a terrifying amount of firepower in all directions.

By far its best feature though is that its all round firepower should NOT generally be used to CAF but rather to allow it to manuever to carefully avoid enemy fire arcs while still returning fire no matter what direction youre facing. Ive take a Primus down with one 1 on 1...... (admittedly the Primus made the mistake of NOT all stopping allowing me to APTE past it on turn 2 and didnt roll all that well for its first shot but still....)
 
I think 'era'-ed Narn and Centauri would be quite interesting - i made up a spreadsheet with in-service dates placed on a sort of map....it does kind of make sense.....

(For one thing it explains why the Kutai is so naff: 2134? Suprised any of them still work after over a century......it's not like we're talking Vorlon hardware*)

Early Republic, Third Age and (maybe) Post-fall era for Centauri, Expansion, Narn/Centauri War and Second Expansion for Narn..



* Comes with a lifetime garuantee - and for a Vorlon that's a big deal....
 
locarno24 said:
I think 'era'-ed Narn and Centauri would be quite interesting - i made up a spreadsheet with in-service dates placed on a sort of map....it does kind of make sense.....

(For one thing it explains why the Kutai is so naff: 2134? Suprised any of them still work after over a century......it's not like we're talking Vorlon hardware*)

Early Republic, Third Age and (maybe) Post-fall era for Centauri, Expansion, Narn/Centauri War and Second Expansion for Narn..



* Comes with a lifetime garuantee - and for a Vorlon that's a big deal....
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of course the Narn fleet is all pretty new and sparkly, all older ships were completely out of service and ignored by Mongoose, which is fair enough as the game will usually be set around the third age. Allegedly, some older narn ships are due for release in S+P, but it's taken years for them to materealize. thats why me and morg did our own early Narn fleet list :-)
 
Methos5000 said:
Also in the fiction universe they wouldn't just decide to in say, 2267, okay we dont need any of these old ships anymore, destroy ALL of them, they would be phased out as the newer ships came into service until they had replacements for all the ships, but the ships would be around defending lower priority targets until more of the new line ships were built.
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Yes. But the lists might not be intended as "catch all situations" list but to represent typical fleets of that era. So while EA might have nova's around they would be, as you said, defending lower priority targets and not as part of main fleets.
 
hiffano said:
of course the Narn fleet is all pretty new and sparkly, all older ships were completely out of service and ignored by Mongoose, which is fair enough as the game will usually be set around the third age. Allegedly, some older narn ships are due for release in S+P, but it's taken years for them to materealize. thats why me and morg did our own early Narn fleet list :-)
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I personally think that any early Narn fleets should have limited access to Centauri ships / designs, maybe with a few minor tweeks. Their fluff states that until they start building their own that they used Centauri.
 
LordClinto said:
hiffano said:
of course the Narn fleet is all pretty new and sparkly, all older ships were completely out of service and ignored by Mongoose, which is fair enough as the game will usually be set around the third age. Allegedly, some older narn ships are due for release in S+P, but it's taken years for them to materealize. thats why me and morg did our own early Narn fleet list :-)
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I personally think that any early Narn fleets should have limited access to Centauri ships / designs, maybe with a few minor tweeks. Their fluff states that until they start building their own that they used Centauri.
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with weakened weapons etc I'd have no problem with that
 
Lord David the Denied said:
A split Centauri list would be a good idea, perhaps part of 2nd ed ACtA. Hopefully with ion cannons and reduced dependancy on lasers... :P
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I doubt it'd be feasible to split the other fleets, for one thing it'd increase the book size.
 
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