Conan Plans Unveiled - Deepest Apologies

[Hervé]

even with the multi-classing rules, I found the class system too limited for 'real' sword and sorcery. S&S Heroes (And I'm not talking just Conan) tend to be skilled and capable generalists that work alone or in groups of no more than three people. While D20 is for making hyper-successful specialist that need support from three others in to a well oiled machine. D20 is GREAT for team play, but sadly isn't good for mimicking Sword and Sorcery.

Be careful, pal, it started like this for me on these boards some five years ago... I dared say that in my opinion D20 was inappropriate for hyborian gaming. It started a war that didn't stop till now, to the point where I have to pose as "the D20 hater" to counterbalance the fanboys narrow state of mind. It's a kind of fascist place 'round here: you can insult DD4, throw Savage Worlds in the mud or spit on BRP/MRQ, but the fanboys here will absolutely forbid you to say anything negative about their beloved favourite D20 system. You are allowed to have an opinion as long as it match theirs.

That's why I like ranting on D20 so much: it makes them mad.


I like the picture, though.:wink:

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

centerfire is just a troll.

 

[LucaCherstich]

D20 is GREAT for team play, but sadly isn't good for mimicking Sword and Sorcery.

IN MY OPINION.

Did you EVER, actually, play Conan rpg (d20 AS PUBLISHED by Mongoose) or used the WoC D&D 3.5 canon (wizard-cleric-fighter-thief)?
To me it looks like you did the second or played the first with pre-made pre-concepts.

p.s.
IN MY OPINION.

 

[Nagisawa]

D20 is GREAT for team play, but sadly isn't good for mimicking Sword and Sorcery.

IN MY OPINION.

Did you EVER, actually, play Conan rpg (d20 AS PUBLISHED by Mongoose) or used the WoC D&D 3.5 canon (wizard-cleric-fighter-thief)?
To me it looks like you did the second or played the first with pre-made pre-concepts.

p.s.
IN MY OPINION.

Ran three con games and a six month biweekly on line campaign. I like to have a grounding in what I'm talking about, unlike 90% of the internet it seems.

And I stand by my statement. You don't have to agree with it, this isn't gospel.

 

[Spectator]

even with the multi-classing rules, I found the class system too limited for 'real' sword and sorcery. S&S Heroes (And I'm not talking just Conan) tend to be skilled and capable generalists that work alone or in groups of no more than three people. While D20 is for making hyper-successful specialist that need support from three others in to a well oiled machine. D20 is GREAT for team play, but sadly isn't good for mimicking Sword and Sorcery.

Be careful, pal, it started like this for me on these boards some five years ago... I dared say that in my opinion D20 was inappropriate for hyborian gaming. It started a war that didn't stop till now, to the point where I have to pose as "the D20 hater" to counterbalance the fanboys narrow state of mind. It's a kind of fascist place 'round here: you can insult DD4, throw Savage Worlds in the mud or spit on BRP/MRQ, but the fanboys here will absolutely forbid you to say anything negative about their beloved favourite D20 system. You are allowed to have an opinion as long as it match theirs.

That's why I like ranting on D20 so much: it makes them mad.


I like the picture, though.:wink:

Hmm I think Herve' is having too much fun being the only troll, I wanna Join too! I don't HATE D2o, but the Castles and Crusaders system of D20 minus the silly skill points is the ideal, in everyones opinion, for a fast game, minus silly 3.5 rule arguments.

 

[Hordes o' Andrew]

I find system/edition wars pointless. Spending all that time and energy being angry with how other people choose to have fun seems like the ultimate sacrifice to self-defeating futility. I'd far rather be planning and playing games I enjoy than getting jollies out of telling people I've never met how they're doing it wrong.

But that's just me.

 

[PrinceYyrkoon]

I find system/edition wars pointless. Spending all that time and energy being angry with how other people choose to have fun seems like the ultimate sacrifice to self-defeating futility. I'd far rather be planning and playing games I enjoy than getting jollies out of telling people I've never met how they're doing it wrong.

But that's just me.

I agree somewhat, I suppose were all guilty for time to time of being biased, but its pointless banging on about stuff people will never agree with.

 

[Hordes o' Andrew]

I agree somewhat, I suppose were all guilty for time to time of being biased, but its pointless banging on about stuff people will never agree with.

Pretty much. There are plenty of systems I'm not keen on, but trashing them online just isn't my bag. Nor is responding to people who dislike games I enjoy. It doesn't matter who started what, the only behaviour I'm responsible for is my own.

 

[Dark Mistress]

Well that sucks, I understand the Conan IP's point of view. Still sucks for Mongoose and us fans. At the very least I hope Mongoose puts out the two books they pulled before things end.

I also hope and wish Mongoose the best of luck of retaining the rights to make the Conan RPG.

 

[rabindranath72]

even with the multi-classing rules, I found the class system too limited for 'real' sword and sorcery. S&S Heroes (And I'm not talking just Conan) tend to be skilled and capable generalists that work alone or in groups of no more than three people. While D20 is for making hyper-successful specialist that need support from three others in to a well oiled machine. D20 is GREAT for team play, but sadly isn't good for mimicking Sword and Sorcery.

Be careful, pal, it started like this for me on these boards some five years ago... I dared say that in my opinion D20 was inappropriate for hyborian gaming. It started a war that didn't stop till now, to the point where I have to pose as "the D20 hater" to counterbalance the fanboys narrow state of mind. It's a kind of fascist place 'round here: you can insult DD4, throw Savage Worlds in the mud or spit on BRP/MRQ, but the fanboys here will absolutely forbid you to say anything negative about their beloved favourite D20 system. You are allowed to have an opinion as long as it match theirs.

That's why I like ranting on D20 so much: it makes them mad.


I like the picture, though.:wink:

Hmm I think Herve' is having too much fun being the only troll, I wanna Join too! I don't HATE D2o, but the Castles and Crusaders system of D20 minus the silly skill points is the ideal, in everyones opinion, for a fast game, minus silly 3.5 rule arguments.

working on it 8)

 

[centerfire]

BRP is far from being a perfect system, but it has the merit to simple, logical, fluid and modular.

All those things D20 desperately lacks.

Those are some fantastic drugs you're taking. Share, please?

 

[centerfire]

Does this count as opinion?!

I'm mystified why you would think it was anything else.

Come on, lets keep it civil. Sounds like you have some sort of unreasonable gripe. :roll:

(1) Truth is a higher-order value than civility.

(2) If "game systems shouldn't suck" is an unreasonable gripe, then I don't want to be reasonable.

 

[centerfire]

It's a kind of fascist place 'round here: you can insult DD4, throw Savage Worlds in the mud or spit on BRP/MRQ, but the fanboys here will absolutely forbid you to say anything negative about their beloved favourite D20 system. You are allowed to have an opinion as long as it match theirs.

Good grief. Every third post around here addressing the subject comes with at least a couple of sentences to the effect of:

"You hate D20, and wish there was a BRP/MRQ version of Conan. I get it. I respect it. I just wish you could post about Conan without belaboring the point, and/or refrain from prodigious demonstrations of D20 bashing or BRP sycophancy."

The idea that these forums are crawling with hopelessly-blinkered D20 fanboys who, with their dissent-crushing ways, make martyrs of anybody with an independent thought is the opposite of true. If you want to be a troll, fine, but quit trying to justify it as a necessary corrective to the oppressive groupthink that exists only in your persecution-complex-addled fantasies.

 

[centerfire]

centerfire is just a troll.

It's cute that you think so.

 

[treeplanter]

I find system/edition wars pointless. Spending all that time and energy being angry with how other people choose to have fun seems like the ultimate sacrifice to self-defeating futility. I'd far rather be planning and playing games I enjoy than getting jollies out of telling people I've never met how they're doing it wrong.

But that's just me.

I think that's the most intelligent thing that have been said.

In the end, every system fit for different type of gamer. Also, don't forget that every system get faster and simplier the longer you play with them. (It is called empyrism I think). Personnally I find the d100 (MRQ I think) way too complicated for my taste, but on the other end I've played it twice. Playing it for 10 years and I'll get use too it and find it simple. More, i'll probably tweaked some rules as I did with d20.

I guess as long as we have fun, it's fine

 

[Swiftpaw]

Well, if they nixed Mongoose's plans with an intention of shopping it around to someone else in order to make a Conan movie rpg then they're seriously thinking short term. The Decipher LotR rpg...well, anyone even buy that? (crickets...) I didn't think so. If someone else picked up the Conan license they'd be hard-pressed to match what Mongoose has done. Though I'm not a big fan of D20, I have just about all of the books. RuneQuest and Savage Worlds versions? I would have snapped those up as well knowing they'd be well done. What may ultimately happen via this (greedy?) turn of events is the killing off of the Conan rpg line.

Swiftpaw
San Antonio, TX USA

 

[Bygoneyrs]

Well I too have most of the Ver 1 and Ver 2 Conan books at this time and am very sad to hear yet another game go down I like d20, and BRP too, and even like/collect the Traveller game system too. If Conan cam out using any of those three systems I would buy it, but am not interested in any others.

Penn

 

[zozotroll]

I beleive I have invested about enough in new systems for some time. If Conan comes out in one of those, I may continue with collecting it. If not, well I have enough to play for a good long time.

 

[Mankcam]

D20 Conan as a product is great - except for the D20 OGL system. Granted its much better than D&D, and is on a par with True20, but unfortunately its still D20 OGL.

Mongoose's Hyborian content has been great though, and is the only reason I buy their products.

My favourite systems are BRP and Savage Worlds. Both would suit the Hyborian world much better than D20 OGL, although Savage Worlds would have to be the pick of the bunch.

I would have bought possibly both products, as I tend to translate any setting into BRP or Savage Worlds anyway.

Savage Worlds is great for mature GMs who don't have time for accounting, and mature gamers would be the market for the Hyborian setting ( 30 yrs of age +). The Savage Worlds gameplay is much smoother and quicker than D20 OGL, and this would work great with a pulp fantasy setting.

Your bosses made the wrong choice...

 

[Hervé]

centerfire wrote:

The idea that these forums are crawling with hopelessly-blinkered D20 fanboys who, with their dissent-crushing ways, make martyrs of anybody with an independent thought is the opposite of true. If you want to be a troll, fine, but quit trying to justify it as a necessary corrective to the oppressive groupthink that exists only in your persecution-complex-addled fantasies.

You seem pretty much sure of yourself, for someone who joined the boards last August. Your pompous tone doesn't prevent your words from sounding hollow. Especially for someone who just bashed a game system a page ago...

Typical attitude around here: "do as I say, not as I do."