Classic Traveller vs Mongoose Traveller

[Supplement Four]

The image in question for me creates a response "for once an artist who (imo) gets the look and fell of traveller right" at least in my book.

Ben Wooton's other work includes the covers for tripwire, spinward marches and aslan and defines in a visual way the universe i've created since CT.

in a way I'm very glad it doesn't completely relate to CT.

Chef

Change is not always bad. I love the new Battlestar Galactica. Batman is certainly better than it used to be.

Then again, there's change that ain't so good...like the Star Wars prequels.

I see pics like the cover to Vargr and it irks me to no end. It irriatates the hell out of me.

I probably shouldn't care, but I do love Traveller. Original, virgin, pure white Traveller. It's my favorite rpg of everthing I've tried in my life.

I can't help but hate it when people start messing around with what I've grown to dearly love.

 

[rust]

I can't help but hate it when people start messing around with what I've grown to dearly love.

Where I prefer Classic Traveller, it is still there. No bit of it has suddenly
disappeared when Mongoose Traveller was published, I can still use all
of it, the way I like it, and completely ignore the existence of Mongoose
Traveller.
Mongoose Traveller has neither changed nor taken away Classic Travel-
ler, both can coexist perfectly well - so why hate a change that never hap-
pened.

 

[Supplement Four]

Mongoose Traveller has neither changed nor taken away Classic Travel-
ler, both can coexist perfectly well - so why hate a change that never hap-
pened.

But, there is a lot of change. I've looked through the supplements. Many seem to be just slapped together.

Remember when you discovered that Traveller had aliens that were more than just humans in rubber suits? I was expecting, way back then, your typical "bad guys" or "other races" with some background, like elves and dwarves or the aliens we see in the Star Wars rpg (and I love the WEG D6 version...but that type of thing fits that universe).

All of a sudden, the aliens had all this depth. Wow. They were real beings--not just neat things to fight and populate your game with to make it look more "sci fi".

Mongoose stuff heads in that direction. Look at some of the silly weapons in Mercenary.

Traveller never has been disrupter pistols. It's always been shotguns. If you get my drift.

The Mongoose material take the game more into THE FIFTH ELEMENT rather than ALIENS or OUTLAND.

 

[Colin]

the Mongoose material makes it easier to do "Fifth Element". And "Aliens", "Outland", "Gattacca", "Firefly", "Space Viking" or whatever else you want. Including the OTU. the OTU is not required to use the more outlandish weapons from Mercenary, or Aslan as Uplifts (from Scouts), or anything else the Referee doesn't think will fit.

Traveller, at the very least the Mongoose version (though I would argue the other versions as well) is a toolkit for SF adventure. I personally can't stand Classic Traveller, and have little use for the OTU. I still love Traveller. I've been playing it for 25 years...

 

[rust]

But, there is a lot of change.

There is doubtless a difference between Mongoose Traveller und Classic
Traveller, but there is no change at all within Classic Traveller - not one
single letter of Classic Traveller has changed.

Mongoose Traveller is not a changed Classic Traveller, it is Mongoose Tra-
veller, a different animal. And its ancestor, Classic Traveller, has survi-
ved the birth of the new member of the version family unharmed. :wink:

 

[Supplement Four]

Mongoose Traveller is not a changed Classic Traveller, it is Mongoose Tra-
veller, a different animal.

This, I understand. I objected to TNE for the same reasons I object to MGT. The game is becoming something that is not "Traveller".

It's not about rule sets. I didn't object to MT or GT or T4. Those editions changed rules not atmosphere.

TNE changes atmosphere.

MGT changes atmosphere.

I have no grip about Mongoose Traveller except that it should have been called "Journeyer".

Had that happened, we wouldn't have anything to disagree about.

 

[B_Steele]

Look at some of the silly weapons in Mercenary.

Which is why you won't see any of my "silly weapons" from Mercenary or the CSC in a 3I book. 3I is the setting you should be focussed on if you want to compare it to CT, not the entire Core Traveller line...because they aren't mutually exclusive anymore.

Cheers,
Bry

 

[Sylvre Phire]

Change is not always bad. I love the new Battlestar Galactica. Batman is certainly better than it used to be.

Then again, there's change that ain't so good...like the Star Wars prequels.

I see pics like the cover to Vargr and it irks me to no end. It irriatates the hell out of me.

I probably shouldn't care, but I do love Traveller. Original, virgin, pure white Traveller. It's my favorite rpg of everthing I've tried in my life.

I can't help but hate it when people start messing around with what I've grown to dearly love.

This, I understand. I objected to TNE for the same reasons I object to MGT. The game is becoming something that is not "Traveller".

It's not about rule sets. I didn't object to MT or GT or T4. Those editions changed rules not atmosphere.

TNE changes atmosphere.

MGT changes atmosphere.

I have no gripe about Mongoose Traveller except that it should have been called "Journeyer".

Had that happened, we wouldn't have anything to disagree about.

And this, friends, is why some of us no longer post "over there". Okay. We understand you're upset with Mongoose Traveller. We get that you don't like the change. The LBBs are available in reprint form. If it bothers you that much, just play CT, MT, or whatever version you want to play, and let us play what we like. :evil:

Just because someone likes something different from you doesn't make that person's preference any less valid than your preference.

I'm going to end this now before I say anything I won't regret and get myself banned from here.

Pax et bonum,

Dale (speaking as a fan, not a developer)
Edited for clarity.

 

[Supplement Four]

Okay. We understand you're upset with Mongoose Traveller. We get that you don't like the change.

You act as if I just posted my opinion out of the blue. Look at the OP of this thread. He wanted to know about the differences between CT and MGT.

I replied, on topic, to what he asked.

 

[The Chef]

indeed he wanted to know about the differences,

but there is an ocean of difference between highlighting where the divergence is between MGT and CT, and stating how MGT disgusts you.

this does seem a very odd comment to be made on a board run by the publisher.

Chef

 

[Sylvre Phire]

You act as if I just posted my opinion out of the blue. Look at the OP of this thread. He wanted to know about the differences between CT and MGT.

I replied, on topic, to what he asked.

*golf claps*

I am Strephon's lack of utter disbelief...

What you stated was your opinion, but it in no way answered the OP's question. Furthermore, you demonstrated your continued disdain, contempt, and condescension toward anybody who differs from you in your preference for CT over MGT.

The OP was asking about differences in the setting and system. Had you simply said "It isn't Traveller to me," along with the differences that offend you, we wouldn't be having this little discussion. Instead, you promptly mounted your high horse, presented the northern end of said southbound horse, and shouted some "One True Way"isms.

And for the record, yes, I like CT. It has its own charm; I use CT background material with any and every OTU game I run; doing so neither invalidates my membership in the Traveller community, nor creates an irrepairable distortion in time-space. if you don't like it, that's your problem, not mine.

While I am not a mod here, I'm only going to say this once: Please follow the spirit and word of the OP's question and the thread or leave. Continuing on this road will only lead to a report to the mods.

Pax et bonum,

Dale

Edited to remove the accidental group PA.

 

[rust]

Gentlebeings, please ... :shock:

 

[captainjack23]

While S4 and I have disagreed in the past -and in fact do disagree over this issue, and I wish he'd use less um....emotive... posting style, he did clearly identify it as his own opinion; as such, had I been a poster unfamiliar with the issues, I would at least have apprciated his framing his biases in the issue so.....unambiguosly.

My own experience suggests that (if pm's aren't an option) the best way to deal with a posters style, or even substance is simply to notify the moderator-in this case, Matt -and not try to deal with it via public postings....
Matt is of the "tough but fair school" -and honestly, most complaintants don't want "fair", they want "my side to win"; which usually works out badly for the litigants when the judge has to deal with a public spat. As recent events have shown.

Trust me on this one.

Which is my wordy way of posting what Rust said.

PS. Hi rust. Welcome back ![/i]

 

[captainjack23]

Instead, you promptly mounted your grognard steed, presented the northern end of said southbound steed, and shouted some "One True Way"isms.

Dale,

You're doing exactly that here. Please stop using the term as an insult; old time players may be in the minority, but I for one quite like MGT -as do quite a few others. So, while I in no way want to deny you your freedom to express your opinions, I'd really appreciate it if you keep your mudslinging to the actually annoying individuals, rather than the group, please ?

And by the way -yes, I did play SPI games in the way back when. It doesn't mean what you think it means..

 

[Mithras]

I love CT. I love Mongoose Traveller. From one week to the next I can't decide what I should be running What a dilemma, and I've played CT since 1983.

What I can't fathom is why S4 keeps posting on this forum, and the Mongoose Traveller forum on CotI?

 

[Sylvre Phire]

Please stop using the term as an insult; old time players may be in the minority, but I for one quite like MGT -as do quite a few others. So, while I in no way want to deny you your freedom to express your opinions, I'd really appreciate it if you keep your mudslinging to the actually annoying individuals, rather than the group, please ?

And by the way -yes, I did play SPI games in the way back when. It doesn't mean what you think it means..

My apologies for catching you in the crossfire.

Pax et bonum,

Dale

 

[Sylvre Phire]

I love CT. I love Mongoose Traveller. From one week to the next I can't decide what I should be running What a dilemma, and I've played CT since 1983.

What I can't fathom is why S4 keeps posting on this forum, and the Mongoose Traveller forum on CotI?

I believe the polite phrase is "Misery loves company."

That being said, I'm not going to offer any more warnings or advice to S4. The next offense will be reported.

Pax et bonum,

Dale

 

[GypsyComet]

This, I understand. I objected to TNE for the same reasons I object to MGT. The game is becoming something that is not "Traveller".

It's not about rule sets. I didn't object to MT or GT or T4. Those editions changed rules not atmosphere.

TNE changes atmosphere.

MGT changes atmosphere.

I have no grip about Mongoose Traveller except that it should have been called "Journeyer".

Had that happened, we wouldn't have anything to disagree about.

Simple response: I firmly disagree with every opinion quoted above, and every sentence I quoted is an opinion.

 

[Supplement Four]

Simple response: I firmly disagree with every opinion quoted above, and every sentence I quoted is an opinion.

LOL!

I can respect that, Gypsy. Makes me laugh the way you put it, but I do get your drift. Agree to disagree and all that.

 

[Infojunky]

Obviously, the question now is, whats the difference? Can I, say, use the Mongoose Traveller GM screen with the Classic books? Is it fully compatible? Can I use the adventures with no conversion work? I have all of the original sourcebooks, the supplements and some adventures and Judges Guild stuff. Recommend any books as necessary?

What, exactly, are the differences?

Flavor mostly, Combat and damage have a few changes but not anything major. I have been using my CT interchangeably with MgT.