Traveller 5E

[Vormaerin]

I often find stretch goals in these projects to be kind of dumb. It's not intrinsically true that useful additional material is available to be made. So either it is material that is going to be released anyway but put as "stretch goals" for marketing or its weird stuff of the sort you used to get in "Deluxe editions" of video games, back when those were physical objects. Gewgaws for the Gewgaw Gods.

As far as timelines go, I've backed projects where I got the PDF I wanted the instant the funding period was completed. And I've backed projects where the game didn't exist beyond concepts at the time of the kickstarter.

Is putting 5 or 6 books in one package like this project is doing a smart way to do crowdfunding? It certainly results in a large asking price, which has downsides. But so does putting out all the books in separate projects. But these guys have been in the industry for decades and have experience with multiple crowdfunded projects, so it seems likely they are making informed decisions.

 

[swordtart]

Ultimately it doesn't matter one way or the other.
From a backer perspective, it is funded - you win.
From the authors perspective, it is funded - they win.
If you had no interest in this project then you were not require to fund it - you win.

It does not appear that this project will be diverting anyone's focus from your own preferred version of Traveller, if it was dead, it is still dead and if it is the MGT2 version then that product line continues to be developed.

If you dislike the way particular Kickstarters are run then it is like any other consumer choice, you either invest or you do not. Some of us invest in projects on spec (for me it was Wastelander), others like to see clear benefits before investing. If you really want to try before you buy you can wait for the retail version and avoid the kickstarter entirely. This is no different to anything else, you can be an early adopter and risk being disappointed or be a late backer and risk missing out or paying more. This applies to seeing the latest Star Wars film on first release or the new iPhone. For every person that raves about it there will be another person that hates it.

I dislike D&D 5th Edition intensely. I was never going to be a backer, I don't need to own another version of a game I rarely get to play anyway. Even had I been tempted to invest, whilst I don't mind dropping £20 on spec (I spend that on Humble Bundles of books I may never read), I am not comfortable investing at the £50+ level. That is my choice, others have made a risk balance assessment and decided to invest. None of us are objectively wrong as we all have different reasons.

For those that backed it I hope it is everything you believe/hope it will be.

 

[phavoc]

Anyone posting on the thread is posting their opinions - with no product in hand nobody has facts. It's a Kickstarter, so you may, or may not, get what you are paying for with your pre-buy. Like life it's a crapshoot.

I dunno why the sniping of people who are not in the "take my money!" group. In some ways it feels very white-knightish for those coming down on people NOT expressing effusive praise for things.

I'm not personally backing this. It's not really a question of money, just not interested in it. MAYBE if it makes it out the door and a copy of something makes it to my local gaming store where I can put hands on the material I might get interested. I've backed most of the MGT kickstarters to add to my library (didn't do the last one though). Did T5 and I guess that's where I learned my lesson about backing things unseen where you put a lot of hope in them.

Everyone should feel comfortable expressing their thoughts - good or bad - in the forums w/o getting bashed unfairly.

 

[Arkathan]

Anyone posting on the thread is posting their opinions - with no product in hand nobody has facts. It's a Kickstarter, so you may, or may not, get what you are paying for with your pre-buy. Like life it's a crapshoot.

I dunno why the sniping of people who are not in the "take my money!" group. In some ways it feels very white-knightish for those coming down on people NOT expressing effusive praise for things.

I'm not personally backing this. It's not really a question of money, just not interested in it. MAYBE if it makes it out the door and a copy of something makes it to my local gaming store where I can put hands on the material I might get interested. I've backed most of the MGT kickstarters to add to my library (didn't do the last one though). Did T5 and I guess that's where I learned my lesson about backing things unseen where you put a lot of hope in them.

Everyone should feel comfortable expressing their thoughts - good or bad - in the forums w/o getting bashed unfairly.

People don't seem to be coming down on people who say, "I am not backing this."
I am not backing, because my players enjoy MgT2, but do not like 5E... and an expensive buy in exceeding the scope of prepaid gift cards that may or may not be accepted. (A growing issues of late. I couldn't buy VH'26 from Mongoose, but the card worked at DTRPG. Other card brands didn't work at DTRPG - and no one from varies companies seems to be able to say which cards will let the transaction go through)
Where people seem to be having issues are people saying it's dumb to back this or I am not backing it because of xyz, where xyx are BS.
I've not seen any negative responses to valid reasons being stated.

 

[rinku]

I'm confused by whoever talked about a Psionics class/career in 5E being less Traveller. EVERY edition of Traveller has had a psionics chapter, and many of them have had a formal career sequence. That's very much a setting feature; CT and Mega let you be a career Psion if you were Zhodani; TNE had Regency Psions; Mongoose has that neat extra event career that you can't normally choose. Your own setting could ALWAYS have featured open Psionics Institutes with everyone getting tested when they want.

 

[Hermit King]

i backed it if for no other reason than self decoration. i cant decide if its worth playing till i have it in hand. i am very interested to see how they take a skill based game and make it a level based game. but i will say this it already has a huge time to ship like oct of 27, man thats pretty far out and you know for a fact there will be delays, always are. and stretch goal.......what more can be said but that they suck. i have never seen such horrible stretch goal. i almost wished that they just did not do any goal, that would be one less thing to delay it. but seriously a character sheet as a stretch goal crazy

 

[Endie]

I don't mind the delay between Kickstarter and delivery. I kinda forget and then I get some huge bundle through the post: it's like a present from my younger self.

 

[Vormaerin]

I don't mind as long as they tell you up front, so you know.

 

[CivvieWarrior]

Relatively new to Traveller, long in the tooth veteran of TTRPGS.

I'm still struggling to understand how this is going to potentially "bring more players into the Traveller space".

Groups that are only inclined to play 5th Ed "D&D based products" aren't going to be purchasing MGP Traveller books or looking to move to a system that isn't D20 based.

Personally, I'm against the 5th Ed "D&D based products"-ification of already established games, in the same way I'm against the "Fortnite-ification" of Magic The Gathering.

Putting varied systems and settings through the "bland-o-matic" machine is why brick and mortar stores are full to the rafters with 5th Ed "D&D based products" and Fortnite style MTG and little else, because it is what sells (because of the popularity of the likes of Critical Roll).

You can't throw a stone on Kickstarter without hitting a 5th Ed "D&D based product".

I like Traveller because the setting and the system (to me) work well together as a "grittier" danger has consequences package (none of this - "I've got 200HP and I'm combat effective for 199HP of that amount"), where as the D&D D20 system doesn't gel for me (I remember the nightmare that was Star Wars 3.5 and Star Wars Saga Edition).

 

[hopsnbaer]

I'm still struggling to understand how this is going to potentially "bring more players into the Traveller space".

It is a no-brainer to me.

It raises awareness of the Traveller rules set and some folks that are on the edge may give it a try. In either case, WLD has to pay a licensing fee and it adds Traveller to a different demographic.

I backed it because I want them to be successful, but I doubt I will actually play it.

 

[CivvieWarrior]

It is a no-brainer to me.

It raises awareness of the Traveller rules set and some folks that are on the edge may give it a try. In either case, WLD has to pay a licensing fee and it adds Traveller to a different demographic.

I backed it because I want them to be successful, but I doubt I will actually play it.

But why would they learn an entirely new ruleset, one which is a lot more "grounded" (I use that term sparingly) when they can continue using the comfort blanket of 5th Ed D&D? This product feels closer to Starfinder than Traveller.

I can potentially see this happening a vanishingly small number of cases but not enough that its going to make a noticeable difference to the Traveller RPG space (pun unintended).

 

[hopsnbaer]

But why would they learn an entirely new ruleset, one which is a lot more "grounded" (I use that term sparingly) when they can continue using the comfort blanket of 5th Ed D&D? This product feels closer to Starfinder than Traveller.

I can potentially see this happening a vanishingly small number of cases but not enough that its going to make a noticeable difference to the Traveller RPG space (pun unintended).

You will probably need to ask "World's Largest Dungeon" they are the ones that bought the license from Mongoose. Over $560K so far.

 

[CivvieWarrior]

You will probably need to ask "World's Largest Dungeon" they are the ones that bought the license from Mongoose. Over $560K so far.

I saw this question asked on one of the 10,000 Facebook posts about it.

The responses boiled down to "this game isn't for everyone" and "it will bring more attention to Traveller".

 

[Sigtrygg]

There are 1564 backers as of writing this.

Some will be Traveller collectors.
Some will be rpg collectors.

The interesting demographic are the people who play nothing but 5e who want to take a punt on the Traveller experience using rules they will never move on from.

If they want more Charted Space material then they will have to purchase MgT stuff - I imagine there will be a conversion document somewhere down the line, if not I will make one

Mongoose also makes money from the licence.

I don't think there is a single Mongoose Traveller fan who will stop buying Mongoose produce and go instead with 5e

The latest updates say will be getting more details on the rules and setting, as to the setting to breadcrumbs look interesting.