Clans of the Aslan - has just arrived!

The Aslan got their name from Turks who thought they looked a bit like lions. Since they share no DNA what so ever with Terra this is purely coincidence. Sadly the authors and artists keep missing this.
True, but later authors leaned into this and made them even more "feline-like"
As more was learned about them the Turks' labeling stuck and the humans who interacted with them bent over backwards to use human terms, to describe Aslan traits and society, this introduces a level of "cat like" perception to the humans that is not there. Describing their honour system as similar to feudal Japan was enough to promote samuri pizza cats. Its as racist a portrayal as you can get, almost as bad as the constant Vargr are dogs.
I would say the Aslan have a tribal honor-shame dynamic, not feudal like the Japanese. There is no Feudal State in Aslan Space. It is all families, prides, and clans.

Vargr are dogs, literally. Genetically modified dogs. Aslan are not genetically modified cats, they are an extraplanetary species that grew to be how they are through evolution (as far as We know anyhow.) So, I get how people can go with the Vargr are dogs thing, even if it doesn't really apply.
 
One key point about Aslan that remains somewhat in the background, and never much expanded upon, is that they apparently evolved from solitary animals. Obviously, Aslan themselves are a social species, but their immediate ancestors were not; in great contrast to Humans, since primates have been social for tens of millions of years. Human society is the product of a far more ingrained set of operating principles. Whereas Human honour codes are there to regulate social interaction -- arguably to curtail it, so there's some "objective" distance and standards and it's not one huge emotion-driven orgy of constantly shifting micro-politics -- Aslan honour codes are probably almost the opposite. They don't regulate a part of their nature that is evolutionarily long-established, they reinforce a part of their nature that is relatively "new". At least, that's how I see them. I think society, rather than being something taken for granted as it is in Humans, Vargr, K'kree, etc., is to Aslan a little akin to how consciousness works for Hivers -- it's always there now on a low-simmering level, but to really experience it they need to work at it. To me, it explains the Cultural Purge and the strive for linguistic monoculture; there's a tension there somewhere, the notion not too buried in their recent evolutionary history that they might all decide to "go Grinch" and slink off to skulk on their own territorial patch and not put up with other people, if society isn't reinforced by shared commitment. Fake-it-until-you-make-it, almost.

Hence why the Aslan term for their species is the same as their term for "people who follow the honour code". It's key to their identity because without it they don't necessarily have a social identity to the same intrinsic degree as Humans, Vargr, etc.
 
yeah, the Aslan were originally arboreal hunters who adapted to group hunting when forced out onto the plains by climate change. I hadn't really thought about it quite the way you described, but that's an interesting take I will give thought to.
 
Vargr are dogs, literally. Genetically modified dogs.
Sorry, no. Vargr are wolves. Genetically modified wolves, from stock taken from Terra 300000 years ago -- 270000 or more years removed from the date when humans first began the domestication of wolves to dogs.

There are (canonically; at the table, do whatever is fun for your game) no Chihuahua Vargr, no Poodle Vargr, no Great Dane or Saint Bernard or English Bullog or Border Collie Vargr. Vargr are to wolves approximately what humans are to chimpanzees.

Hmm... fun concept -- a Solomani project which is using (among other things) Vargr DNA to uplift dogs.

Alsan are to lions approximately what humans are to the Sheol.
 
Vargr are dogs, literally. Genetically modified dogs. Aslan are not genetically modified cats, they are an extraplanetary species that grew to be how they are through evolution (as far as We know anyhow.) So, I get how people can go with the Vargr are dogs thing, even if it doesn't really apply.
No, they are not.

Vargr were uplifted from wolves about 250,000 years before dogs, dogs and wolves are not the same thing. Dogs share a common ancestor with wolves and they share a common ancestor with Vargr, but Vargr are not, never have been, and never will be dogs. Anyone saying otherwise is racist.

"Here's a brief summary of the evolution of dogs from wolves with some rough dates:

  1. Early Domestication (around 20,000 - 40,000 years ago):
    • Evidence suggests that the domestication of wolves began in this period. Humans and wolves may have formed a mutually beneficial relationship, with wolves scavenging near human settlements and providing protection in return.
  2. Separation from Wolves (around 15,000 - 20,000 years ago):
    • Genetic studies indicate that domestic dogs started to diverge from their wild wolf ancestors during this time. Selective breeding by humans favored traits like docility and sociability.
  3. Early Breeds (around 9,000 - 14,000 years ago):
    • Early breeds of domestic dogs began to appear. These dogs were likely bred for specific roles, such as hunting, herding, and guarding.
  4. Development of Diverse Breeds (around 2,000 - 4,000 years ago):
    • As humans settled into agricultural societies, the need for dogs with specialized skills grew. This period saw the development of more distinct dog breeds, tailored to specific tasks and environments.
  5. Modern Breeds (last 200 - 300 years):
    • In the recent few centuries, selective breeding has become more refined, leading to the wide variety of modern dog breeds we see today. This period also saw the establishment of breed standards and dog shows.
 
No, they are not.

Vargr were uplifted from wolves about 250,000 years before dogs, dogs and wolves are not the same thing. Dogs share a common ancestor with wolves and they share a common ancestor with Vargr, but Vargr are not, never have been, and never will be dogs. Anyone saying otherwise is racist.

"Here's a brief summary of the evolution of dogs from wolves with some rough dates:

  1. Early Domestication (around 20,000 - 40,000 years ago):
    • Evidence suggests that the domestication of wolves began in this period. Humans and wolves may have formed a mutually beneficial relationship, with wolves scavenging near human settlements and providing protection in return.
  2. Separation from Wolves (around 15,000 - 20,000 years ago):
    • Genetic studies indicate that domestic dogs started to diverge from their wild wolf ancestors during this time. Selective breeding by humans favored traits like docility and sociability.
  3. Early Breeds (around 9,000 - 14,000 years ago):
    • Early breeds of domestic dogs began to appear. These dogs were likely bred for specific roles, such as hunting, herding, and guarding.
  4. Development of Diverse Breeds (around 2,000 - 4,000 years ago):
    • As humans settled into agricultural societies, the need for dogs with specialized skills grew. This period saw the development of more distinct dog breeds, tailored to specific tasks and environments.
  5. Modern Breeds (last 200 - 300 years):
    • In the recent few centuries, selective breeding has become more refined, leading to the wide variety of modern dog breeds we see today. This period also saw the establishment of breed standards and dog shows.
You’re pretty free with the term racist since I’ve seen you toss it around a few times. This is a roleplaying game and we don’t need those kinds of personal attacks. I’d like to suggest that this isn’t the place for that when we aren’t even talking about real people, or even fictional beings of the same species.
 
Sorry, no. Vargr are wolves. Genetically modified wolves, from stock taken from Terra 300000 years ago -- 270000 or more years removed from the date when humans first began the domestication of wolves to dogs.

There are (canonically; at the table, do whatever is fun for your game) no Chihuahua Vargr, no Poodle Vargr, no Great Dane or Saint Bernard or English Bullog or Border Collie Vargr. Vargr are to wolves approximately what humans are to chimpanzees.

Hmm... fun concept -- a Solomani project which is using (among other things) Vargr DNA to uplift dogs.

Alsan are to lions approximately what humans are to the Sheol.

An important distinction.
 
One key point about Aslan that remains somewhat in the background, and never much expanded upon, is that they apparently evolved from solitary animals. Obviously, Aslan themselves are a social species, but their immediate ancestors were not; in great contrast to Humans, since primates have been social for tens of millions of years. Human society is the product of a far more ingrained set of operating principles. Whereas Human honour codes are there to regulate social interaction -- arguably to curtail it, so there's some "objective" distance and standards and it's not one huge emotion-driven orgy of constantly shifting micro-politics -- Aslan honour codes are probably almost the opposite. They don't regulate a part of their nature that is evolutionarily long-established, they reinforce a part of their nature that is relatively "new". At least, that's how I see them. I think society, rather than being something taken for granted as it is in Humans, Vargr, K'kree, etc., is to Aslan a little akin to how consciousness works for Hivers -- it's always there now on a low-simmering level, but to really experience it they need to work at it. To me, it explains the Cultural Purge and the strive for linguistic monoculture; there's a tension there somewhere, the notion not too buried in their recent evolutionary history that they might all decide to "go Grinch" and slink off to skulk on their own territorial patch and not put up with other people, if society isn't reinforced by shared commitment. Fake-it-until-you-make-it, almost.

Hence why the Aslan term for their species is the same as their term for "people who follow the honour code". It's key to their identity because without it they don't necessarily have a social identity to the same intrinsic degree as Humans, Vargr, etc.
That was amazingly well said and is definitely causing Me to rethink My views on the Aslan. Thank you.
 
An important distinction.
It is, but assume I meant Canis instead of dog. I was not being very specific. Apologies.

Edit:

Although, from wikipedia, (because I had to look it up)

"In 1758, the Swedish botanist and zoologist Carl Linnaeus published in his Systema Naturae the binomial nomenclature.[3] Canis is the Latin word meaning "dog",[9] and under this genus he listed the doglike carnivores including domestic dogs, wolves, and jackals."

Sooo... dog. Covers domestic dogs, wolves, and jackals, among other things.
 
Of course, being of the same Genus isn't remotely the same as being of the same species.

Muskoxen and goats are the genus, Caprinae. So are sheep. It would not be correct to call a Muskox a goat, nor to call a goat a sheep. Even though Caprea is the (non scientific) Latin word for goat.
 
Of course, being of the same Genus isn't remotely the same as being of the same species.
All creatures of the same species are also the same Genus. Like not all trees are oaks, but all oaks are trees.
Muskoxen and goats are the genus, Caprinae. So are sheep. It would not be correct to call a Muskox a goat, nor to call a goat a sheep. Even though Caprea is the (non scientific) Latin word for goat.
No, but the word Canis, means dog.

I hate to break it to you, but Caprinae isn't a Genus. Caprinae are a subfamily of Bovidae. Canis is a Genus. They are not remotely the same. Canis is part of the subfamily Caninae.

Also, Canis literally means dog. It is just in Latin instead of English. That is like saying it would be incorrect to call a "perro" a dog. It literally means dog in Spanish. As far as a I am aware, Caprinae doe not mean "goat", it means "of goats" or "goat-like". Canis means dog.

If you were talking about the subfamily of Canis Lupus, then that would be, Canidae, which means "of dogs" or "dog-like"
 
There are subspecies of Vargr.

One could be poodlesque.


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