Carriers

[tneva82]

I'm fine with painting 24 fighters for a fleet but not with 24 for a ship and needing 6 ships worth for a fleet. Numbers in the eighties or nineties make my skin crawl, both from the painting burden and from the game clogging, complexity adding burden.

Game clog might happen in SFB but in ACTA fighters don't clog the game. I have played ACTA games where one player fielded 80+ fighters. Either one side or both...No clog. (yeah the games weren't fastest ones I have played but what you expect on 5k games. Whether it's capital ships only or fighters that's bound to take bit of a time Actually fighters were the fast ones...No need to carefully measure turning and when it came to shooting all of them went up once so no need to go between altering shooting turns which invariably leads to bit of thinking of which one to shoot next=slowing down)

And as for painting...Again small fighters are dirt easy to paint. LOT easier than big ships because the large surface area's are not going to be issue(I dread how to paint the fed surfaces without it looking boring as hell).

But then again: If you don't want to then don't Nobody forces you to play fighters Or are you one of the type that you just HAVE to have every single choice in fleet list in multiples?-) How many 10k+ point fleets you are going to have?-) (join the club!)

 

[Greg Smith]

It's a miniatures game. Even the hint of counters opens the game to accusations of consorting with the unwashed, pox ridden heathen of a boardgame persuasion. :twisted:

You mean SFB players? :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(For the humour impaired, that was a joke! See the smileys?)

 

[Captain Jonah]

It's a miniatures game. Even the hint of counters opens the game to accusations of consorting with the unwashed, pox ridden heathen of a boardgame persuasion. :twisted:

Looks at his bag of ADB counters which are being used while waiting for the fleet boxes to come out.

OY ! ! ! :evil:

 

[Keeper Nilbog]

And, remember, as has been said, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THEM :? . In most of the ActA systems fighters do not break the game (in SFB and B5W fighters could happily pull a ship apart if left to themselves). When you start looking at points costs, a CVS with 12 fighters with probably be ship cost + 120 pts (assuming fighters are 10pts each - and if based on NA, they will be the lesser varients), thats about 300pts of a 1000pt 'quick' game, around 1/3 of the fleet.

I'm actually for the individual fighter/1 hit-1 kill option, as i don't think that they will be that common (unless you have three legs) when all is considered - you won't see the Big Boys (SCS - CVA's) in games under 1000pts much (if ever), due to there cost and the initiative factors involved.

 

[andypalmer]

As an FYI, the Hydrans pretty much need Fighters to work so not using fighters basically means not playing with Hydrans.

To give some here an idea of relative firepower and durability of SFB Fighters...

- Many General War fighters can take a hit from a Photon Torpedo with no degradation in capability.
- Even at close range, a typical General War fighter will take 2-4 phaser-1s to take out
- A trio of Hydran Sting-2 Fighters will expect to destroy a Klingon D7 Battlecruiser at point blank range. (luckily, their firepower gets exponentially worse with range)
- A squadron of General War Fighters will typically cost at least as much as a Heavy Cruiser, and often more.

In relative terms, think of them more like PT Boats.

 

[Keeper Nilbog]

Please note my post said - 'unless you have three legs' . . Hydrans NEED fighters, it's part of who they are - agreed.

 

[McKinstry]

Nobody forces you to play fighters Or are you one of the type that you just HAVE to have every single choice in fleet list in multiples?-) How many 10k+ point fleets you are going to have?-) (join the club!)

I kind of am

 

[McKinstry]

It's a miniatures game. Even the hint of counters opens the game to accusations of consorting with the unwashed, pox ridden heathen of a boardgame persuasion. :twisted:

Looks at his bag of ADB counters which are being used while waiting for the fleet boxes to come out.

OY ! ! ! :evil:

You're a Gornish player, I assumed unwashed pox ridden heathen lizard lover was a default setting?
:wink: (note for interweb context interpretation, that is a joke)

 

[Captain Jonah]

Adds Mckinstry and Greg Smith to the list of people to be shot when the mighty Gorn rule the Universe.

(Insert smileys here to indicate this is a joke)

Please note lack of smileys :twisted:

 

[tneva82]

Nobody forces you to play fighters Or are you one of the type that you just HAVE to have every single choice in fleet list in multiples?-) How many 10k+ point fleets you are going to have?-) (join the club!)

I kind of am

Haha. Well then you are screwed Better brush up your speed-painting techniques!