Campaign Cartographer 3?

Trifletraxor

Mongoose
Anyone who've tried this program? Or used any other mapping programs to map Glorantha? As the official maps kinda suck, maybe we could make some communal effort to map 2nd Age Glorantha using some mapping software?

SGL.
 
I have CC3, and think that such a project would be a good idea.

CC3 is a powerful program with a steeper learning curve than most other mapping software. If you have the time and will to learn it is the best software for such a project (and it is the de facto industry standard).

WildHealer on these boards had a map of the area around the Upland Marsh/Snakepipe Hollow area - you can PM her if you want a copy.

Is anyone else on here any good with CC3? I can get by with it but am far from an expert. I would think we would want clear guidelines on how master maps should be composed and instructions on how to make smaller scale regional maps from the large scale master maps.

Custom symbols specifically for Glorantha would also rock.

EDIT: Of course, accurate scale maps of Glorantha has always been a bit of a problem in the setting, and continues to be one even with the latest supplements - there was a discussion on map scale in the World of Glorantha Yahoo Group not too long ago.
 
Darn, if such project ever starts and gets some results, please, please, please share the results with the rest of the world. Myself I don´t have all that good grip with CC3, but I have the program, have done some little mapping here and there, so I know what can be done with it.

And mapping places is something, that RQ, and especially world of glorantha has had its achileus weak point everytime. I mean, most of the time the backround info has always been most excelent, but once we get into serious things that would have some usage in whooping your players around places, most of the time you have to do mapping by yourself.

It seems that mongoose is folloing the tradition in this case most unluckily (yes, we have had some bigscale mapping from here and there around glorantha, but most of the time they lack all the details, that would have any usage in smallscale scenarious and travelling around), so this kind a fanproduction would hit the jackpot...and so would mongoose, if they could publish some sort more or less detailed atlas of genertela... 8)
 
There was an older thread where Wildhealer noted that she used CC3 for some Glorantha maps.

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=27692&sid=0395514663d3fb9b892f8f6350ce0225

Maybe he could be persuaded to share his efforts with the masses?

THere are some CC2 Gloranthan maps at the halberdgames site.

From my own experience CC is nice, but to get good results takes time. This makes it less useful for adventure mapping, but could be good for something like regional maps, where the map will be useful for an entire campaign.
 
Regional maps are something that I have always wanted and hoped to have ready served in me games. Mapmaking is something that gives me bumbs to the forehead right away, and I would be ready to pay anytime if I´d get them ready and served- and I think I´m not alone.

But what about wildhealer, is he still around..?
 
WildHealer (a she) I think still checks in here. Her map was third age I believe, and of the greater Dragon Pass area (I still have it I think).

The kind of project I think Trif is talking about would be to map the world in CC3 using vector maps in the correct scale. From simple master maps any portion can be blown up/zoomed in on and turned into a more detailed local map, and have all the pretty looking effects and bitmaps from CC3 added.

I would think the 'master maps' would want to be as simple as possible vector only maps (no fancy bitmap/png symbols, etc). That way when you zoom in on area all the Rivers, cities, forests, mountains, etc are in the right place. From there users could create maps in any style with as many or as few bells and whistles as possible. There is an article somewhere on ProFantasy's site about how to do this - I'll try to dig it up.

Two maps created by different mappers of the same area could look very different indeed - the important thing is that all the major distances and geographic features would be the same between say, Trif's map of Ralios and Rurik's map of Ralios.
 
Rurik said:
Is anyone else on here any good with CC3? I can get by with it but am far from an expert. I would think we would want clear guidelines on how master maps should be composed and instructions on how to make smaller scale regional maps from the large scale master maps.

Custom symbols specifically for Glorantha would also rock.

EDIT: Of course, accurate scale maps of Glorantha has always been a bit of a problem in the setting, and continues to be one even with the latest supplements - there was a discussion on map scale in the World of Glorantha Yahoo Group not too long ago.

Did the discussion on WoG lead to any conclusions? I once made a hand-drawn map of 3rd Age Genertela in A1 size from all the smaller maps in the RQ3 Genertela supplement (hmm... maybe I could scan it, put it together in photoshop and then put it on the website). I then used the scales from those maps. Have Glorantha been upscaled or downscaled in size since that supplement?

I think I will get hold of CC3. Will the CC3 alone be enough, or would I need some of the add-ons, like fantasy overlands?

SGL.
 
And then comes the big question....any volunteers? I´d would rise me hand, but honestly I can declare right away, that me untalent of using CC3 is even greater than me hatred toward mapdrawing... :)
 
Trifletraxor said:
Rurik said:
I once made a hand-drawn map of 3rd Age Genertela in A1 size from all the smaller maps in the RQ3 Genertela supplement (hmm... maybe I could scan it, put it together in photoshop and then put it on the website).

Oh wait, no I can't... Goddamn Issaire's Fan Policy bullshit! :evil:

SGL.
 
You don't need anything else to make a usable map with CC. That said, the add-ons can greatly improve the final product by adding different textures and symbols (assuming that you blow up the master map and put in the details for sections).

You can create and import your own symbols in CC, too. So you could use Glorathan Runes for the map.

One warning. It really helps if you have som familairity with a CAD program. CC is essentially a CAD program, but with specialized symbols, and optimized for mapping.

There are some other programs out there too, and some basic computer drawing programs can do some things as good as or even better than CC. I've "mixed & matched" a map or two in the past, when I wanted to do somthing that CC woudln't allow.


Fair warning\this would be a massive project. If you make the map scalble, then all the fine details (coastlines, rivers, mountains) would need to be adjusted to be accurate as small scale, meaning lots, of tweaking. If it is going to be done in large sections (world, continents, regions, etc.) then only one person could tweak a map at a time, since any changes would be saved to one file. So if one person wanted to do the detail map for "East Nowhere", and another wanted to do "West Nowhere", they would have to take turns, or do two different files.
 
I believe Issaries are planning an Encyclopedia Glorantha (3rd Age) for HQ, and the cartographer for that project is Colin Driver, who did the maps for 'Blood Over Gold' and Gwenthia. He's previously mapped Dragon Pass, and Hendrikiland for The Durengard Scroll.

Knowing Colin very well, I also know he's faced many obstacles in producing definitive maps - not least where scales are concerned and the positioning of geographical features. Scales have changed with different versions, fan and official, and this is something Issaries/Moon Design are keen to bring into line.

Colin's maps are truly gorgeous. He uses Photoshop and hand drawing, rather than something like CC3. You can see some samples of his Gwenthia maps over at www.gwenthia.org. His Glorantha maps are even better.
 
Loz, any changes, that Mongoose would be willing to draw up some sort of commercial atlas of genertela for second age glorantha? I guess, that for most of (gloranthan) players it would be a must to be bought...
 
There's nothing in the pipeline, although a forthcoming project for me is Dara Happa. I quite agree that a Second Age encyclopedia would be great, but it would also be an enormous amount of work. Still, that's never bothered Mongoose, so who knows what will find its way onto the production schedules?
 
I did a hand-drawn map of Central Genertela about 10/11 years ago and have just scanned it in. The scale should be right as it pulls from a lot of sources. However, I'm no artist, so don't expect anything pretty. It's at http://www.soltakss.com/gmap01.jpg

I use Cyberboard for basic maps, as it is free and easy to use. I've never tried Campaign Cartographer, but I probably wouldn't understand it anyway.
 
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