Bi-plane fighters - testing for balance.

Ben2

Mongoose
Well here are the main fighters for SCW. They are biplanes. How many of them would you want per patrol point. At the moment I am leaning to 5 or possibly 6.
More to the point anyone using these will find the dogfight and speed values very low.
Comparing them to the worst fighters in the game so far, the Fulmar and P-39 Aircobra, the Fulmar being 3 and the Air Cobra 4 flights per patrol point. They are both DF +2, though the Fulmar is damage 1 and speed 19 and the Air cobra is damage 2 and Speed 27.
Hell, looking at that the Aircobra should be three per patrol point and the Fulmar 4 per patrol point as the Fulmar is slower with 1 damage.
I'm leaning towards 6 per point for bi-fighters. It means they are worth taking if you can just use them as interceptors to try to swarm dive and torp bombers trying to attack your fleet.
Note: This post was edited for drunkeness.

HE-51 Biplane fighter

Obsolete before it even went into production the HE-51 was based on the earlier H-E37 and 49. Production was begun in 1933 while the Luftwaffe was still a secret and it was mean to replace the Arado 65 and 68 in service, but ended up serving alongside both these planes in the Spanish Civil War. The impressive kill scores racked up by HE-51 pilots in the first months of the war were the result of superlative pilot skill overcoming the limitations of the craft. It did not see service as a fighter in WWII, but variants were

used as floatplanes and in a ground attack role.

Type: Fighter
Speed: 8 in
Target: 5+
Dodge: 4+
Dogfight: +0
Damage: 1
In Service: 1934

Italian CR 32 Biplane fighter

This Fiat biplane was the mainstay of the Italian airforce in the mid to late 1930s, and it and its successor the CR 42, were the mainstay of the Italians fighter force at the outbreak of the second world war. Against the Russian supplied I-15 biplanes flown by the Republicans the CR 32 could hold its own, but they gave little trouble to Spitfires, Hurricanes and even Fulmars.

Type: Fighter
Speed: 11 in
Target: 5+
Dodge: 4+
Dogfight: +1
Damage: 1
In service: 1934

Russian I-15 Biplane fighter

The "Seagull" was the mainstay of the Republican fighter forces, and superior to the HE-51 and easily equal to the CR:32. Introduced in March 1934 from a development by Polikarpov, who went on to design the I-16
monoplane, the I-15 was at the top end of the scale of 1930s biplane fighters. By the outbreak of WWII it was obsolete, and relegated to a ground attack role. Interestingly the Americans alleged that it was a copy
of their own F2F, an aircraft to which the I-15 bears no resemblance.

Type: Fighter
Speed: 11 in
Target: 5+
Dodge: 4+
Dogfight: +1
Damage: 1
In Service: 1933

Gloucester Gladiator

The last biplane fighter built for the RAF, the Gladiator was in the process of being retired from front line service when WWII broke out. They saw action in the Battles of France, Norway and Greece and made a spirited attempt to stand up to the BF-109.

Type: Fighter
Speed: 13 in.
Target: 5+
Dodge: 3+
Dogfight: +1
Damage: 1
In Service: 1937
 
In some ways I would give the biplane fighters really good dodge numbers. They are probably some of the most maneuverable aircraft of the period. Otherwise I like what you have done. :D
 
I agree. Low dogfight numbers due to the very light offensive armament, high dodge as a result of the ability to turn on a sixpence!
 
Tripled - having watched a Gloster and other biplanes fly at Duxford.... rather umm, nippy in that dodge department.
 
Well if they slip to 3+/2+ dodge, but retain rubbish dogfight (which given they have no anti-shipping ability is what they will be doing) if is largely irrelevant in terms of pointing.
However if they have some anti-shipping ability, that might change. The planes above were all historically capable of carrying light bomb loads, say 1AD 1DD to represent this?

And the Swordfish doesn't match the biplane = high dodge notion. Does that need to be changed?
 
Well, Ive always been in favour of some form of ganging up permitted in dogfights rather than simply doing lots of fights as per rules.

However, in both methods the chances of the better dogfighter going down increases the more enemy they get mobbed by. So if the pointing is right the odds will let the biplanes win on occasion, so long as the numbers work to allow the chance of winning.

The Swordfish isnt a great plane for dodging, true - but it wasnt a biplane fighter though...
 
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