Battlefield Evo - Squad Question

[emperorpenguin]

The SA80 story I keep thinking of was back when the war in Afganistan was at its peak and the Royal Marines were complaining that the F****er of an SA80 keep jamming in the dust. The English Government sent a team out to do a study which reported back that the Royal Marines were not cleaning the guns correctly. Now I may not know that much about the Royal Marines but I do know this - They can CLEAN A RIFLE!!!

Keith Mc

yeah I remember that too! Governments will always blaim the poor squaddie rather than cop flak for bungled orders and rush jobs.

I was only joking about the SA80 though the differences wouldn't be that big. I'd imagine there will be little variance in assault rifles say

 

[Kristovich]

Depends on what type of ammo they use.

Some (older) assault rifles uses 7.62mm rounds, I think most other assault rifles uses 5.56mm rounds (I'm not sure though). That's a difference, at least IRL, perhaps not so significant that it will put on paper though.

EDIT: Funny now, Wiki says the swedish AK5 loads 30 5.56mm rounds, but I'm dead sure I saw Swedish troops loading an AK5 magazine with 20 7.62mm rounds. I even loaded one of 'em myself! Odd...

 

[CudaHP]

kristovich, just remember Wikipedia because of its editable nature is very subject to incorrect information input.

Perhaps you were dealing with a different variant Rifle than whoever entered the article in Wikipedia?? Who knows.

Just a personal thing from taking courses in how to research but, I do not put all that much faith in Wiki.

I trained with the M14 and used it and variants, have also trained with and used the M16, AR15 etc. I still prefer the M14 7.62mm (.308) over the 5.56 (.223) the only perceived advantage to the 16 is more rounds per pound. I still carried 300 rounds of 7.62 as my basic load. Heavy yes, but I liked being able to accurately hit a target at very close to twice plus the M16 effective range.

 

[shotgun-toting chipmunk]

I'll hold off on getting very specific and wait for Matt to publish some previews. (Besides, we're still playtesting and tweaking things a bit ) Suffice to say, there are similarities within weapon types, but each unit will still feel different mainly through capabilities, size, technology, etc. We're trying to make unit composition (and the game as a whole) as accurate as possible while without bogging things down or getting too complicated. Differences are adjusted via points to keep things balanced, just as in current SST rules.

 

[Kristovich]

kristovich, just remember Wikipedia because of its editable nature is very subject to incorrect information input.

Perhaps you were dealing with a different variant Rifle than whoever entered the article in Wikipedia?? Who knows.

Just a personal thing from taking courses in how to research but, I do not put all that much faith in Wiki.

Yeah, that's a point. As far as I'm aware we were dealing with the AK5B, but I don't think they modified the ammo capability between AK5 and AK5B.

Anyhow, my point was that there is a difference between assault rifles. A 7.62mm AR (Assault Rifle) has, like CudaHP said, longer range and deals a heavier punch than a 5.56mm AR, then the 5.56mm do get more rounds.

But if we go on the SST rules, that woulnd't matter as it's the toughness of the target that is used. That means all infantry will have a Target value of about 2+. Now it was said to be a modifed set so I hope they give it a tweaking. Main problem is to hit your target, once he is hit, he is, in about 8 out of 10 times, out of the battle.

 

[JoseDominguez]

The SA80 will be the most realisticly represented weapon in the game.

It's made out of the same stuff as the model

 

[GreyDL]

Anyhow, my point was that there is a difference between assault rifles. A 7.62mm AR (Assault Rifle) has, like CudaHP said, longer range and deals a heavier punch than a 5.56mm AR, then the 5.56mm do get more rounds.

I wonder how detailed the rules will be. Another difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is their ability to penetrate light cover (like trees or simple brick walls). That difference would be very important when fighting in woodland or a built up area.

 

[Kristovich]

True as well, I'm afraid everything we can do is wait and see anyhow.

I do hope we get some details but not all to much as it may slow down play.

We'll have to wait and see.

 

[CudaHP]

The cover penetration capability is the reason many Vietnam vets tried to hold on to their M14s when the M16s were first issued.

I was the arms Sergeant for my unit and we kept them at least until after I left.

There were too many instances of troopies firing full auto in heavy brush at point blank range and being unable to punch through and hit their target, target runs away etc. Two problems: poor fire discipline and the round deflected too easily.

M14 fired semi auto used much less ammo and will punch through an 8 to 12 inch thick tree trunk like tissue paper. Big thing, cannot hit if you do not aim.

5.56mm (.223) was designed to kill varmints and small furbearing mammals, about up to the size of a Coyote. I could write 300 pages on the politics of the acceptance and adoption of the 5.56mm round what a mess. Only marginally better with the new twist rate barrels designed to stabilise the heavier current 5.56 at what 62 grain bullet? Or there abouts.