BAN Ancients from the ID Gaming War Tourney
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Darkblade55
Mongoose
Thanks Locutus, I think you see the point I was trying to make.
Reaverman, my comments if you read were nothing to do with the PL War it was my comments on the statement they are broken.
Please also bear in mind that there is the Vorlon Heavy Cruiser now that is a ship that should be Ancient level and I dont see you complaining about any one using them in a tourny?
Reaverman, my comments if you read were nothing to do with the PL War it was my comments on the statement they are broken.
Please also bear in mind that there is the Vorlon Heavy Cruiser now that is a ship that should be Ancient level and I dont see you complaining about any one using them in a tourny?
Darkblade55 said:
cos a Vorlen fleet can be taken, and I've lost with a Vorlon fleet to Centauri. BTW the Vorlon HC has 1/3 the weapon output at the same range as the Tri
The point I am making, is that the Ancients are not balanced to any degree. Tell me of any race that ignores Stealth, apart form ancients. Don you think thats an imediate disdvantage to Minbari?
Locutus9956
Mongoose
aye of all the uber big ships I'd worry far more about Vorlons than Ancients and Frankly I still think most 5 Point War fleets would eat Vorlons for breakfast....
Someone who is going to be ganked next turn anyway?Reaverman said:
Vorlon: 2xHC and 1xLC have total of 22AD B/P/SAP/TD plus 20AD AP/B/DD/PReaverman said:
Triumviron: 22AD B/P/SAP/TD when fired all at one target, 18AD if split
Vorlons have more. Maybe they should be banned, not the Ancients.
Burger said:
Actually most of the Ancients are either good or slightly underpowered except for one......the Lordship!
Most people seem to miss just how tough this ship is - over 200 points of adaptive armoured butt at hull 6 with 2d6 self-repair. It's weapons are the second best too so I can't see it losing to any fleet in the game really. As soon as it starts causing damage to the enemy, it'll have time to self-repair and never die.
However, it's only slightly more broken than the Prefect and Tertius :roll:
Darkblade55
Mongoose
You are so right there Triggy in the game on Saturday the Lordship took everything I threw at it and it kept going took me 3 turns to take it out and that was with 2/3 of my fleet.
Slightly Norse John
Mongoose
The Kirishiac Lordship (with it's apparently playtester's-in-joke Hyper Grabiton Blaster) has secondaries with a lot of interesting traits, but very few dice, and only one real killing tool. Wolfpack it with light assault ships and it'll come apart, just like everything else.
The last thing you want to do to the ancients is compete with them on their own ground. Ship for ship or with a small number of ships, they do outmatch you. Ten to one, attack them with a fleet nothing higher than Raid level in it, and you stand a much better than even chance.
On Battle-6, I popped the Dark Knife for a Raid and two Patrol ships, with a lucky crit run. The Lordship died in the second fire phase of it's game to the same cause, for the loss of one Raider. Thoughtforce was more complicated, and I took two Raid and two Skirmish losses bringing that one down.
The attack force was the same each time; six Jashakar, four Omelos, eight Targrath. With the dark Knife and Lordship, same cause of death- a wapons crit from the 32- dice torpedo salvo that left it out for the next round, an advantage promptly rammed home to the hilt.
Traveller and Triumviron, I haven't done (in) yet- they promise to be a lot bloodier. But swarms are the way to go.
Remember; never say die, just say BANZAI!!!!
(excuse me a moment while I vent my excess blood sugar level...)
The last thing you want to do to the ancients is compete with them on their own ground. Ship for ship or with a small number of ships, they do outmatch you. Ten to one, attack them with a fleet nothing higher than Raid level in it, and you stand a much better than even chance.
On Battle-6, I popped the Dark Knife for a Raid and two Patrol ships, with a lucky crit run. The Lordship died in the second fire phase of it's game to the same cause, for the loss of one Raider. Thoughtforce was more complicated, and I took two Raid and two Skirmish losses bringing that one down.
The attack force was the same each time; six Jashakar, four Omelos, eight Targrath. With the dark Knife and Lordship, same cause of death- a wapons crit from the 32- dice torpedo salvo that left it out for the next round, an advantage promptly rammed home to the hilt.
Traveller and Triumviron, I haven't done (in) yet- they promise to be a lot bloodier. But swarms are the way to go.
Remember; never say die, just say BANZAI!!!!
(excuse me a moment while I vent my excess blood sugar level...)
