Armour

[Takei]

Just in case it hasn't already been caught:

P.94
"Unless otherwise noted, only one type of armour can be worn
at a time. Resolve damage from the outside in – damage
that gets through the outer layer of armour is next applied to
the inner layer."

If only one type of armour can be worn why have the statement about layers of armour?

 

[-Daniel-]

Just in case it hasn't already been caught:

P.94
"Unless otherwise noted, only one type of armour can be worn
at a time. Resolve damage from the outside in – damage
that gets through the outer layer of armour is next applied to
the inner layer."

If only one type of armour can be worn why have the statement about layers of armour?

I am thinking it might be for shields? I wear only one armor but also carry a ballistic shield? Or it could be talking about the fact that cover offers armour maybe? Or maybe in preparation for Robots? Maybe a robot's structure offers a layer of armour? So if the Robot is wearing armour there would be two layers?

Not saying this is true, just a wild guess. 8)

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Reflec is the classic "under-armour".

For lower tech/lower cost games (most Travellers) Cloth and Reflec were a common. I believe that is why it is there.

 

[Takei]

As you've both said, I think Reflec is the classic (and only?) second layer of armour you can wear.

Perhaps the paragraph needs a slight clarification?

"Unless otherwise noted, only one type of armour can be worn
at a time. If a second layer is worn resolve damage from the outside in – damage
that gets through the outer layer of armour is next applied to
the inner layer."

[Emphasis mine]

 

[-Daniel-]

As you've both said, I think Reflec is the classic (and only?) second layer of armour you can wear.

Perhaps the paragraph needs a slight clarification?

"Unless otherwise noted, only one type of armour can be worn
at a time. If a second layer is worn resolve damage from the outside in – damage
that gets through the outer layer of armour is next applied to
the inner layer."

[Emphasis mine]

Except that if I am behind a car I am not wearing it, yet your attack would first resolve for the car (Civilian Vehicle +10 per page 74), then resolve for the cloth armour I am wearing right? In that case, the sentence as written is correct and the one you suggest would no longer follow because you are adding the word wear. Layer does not have to mean word, just an order of resolution.

 

[Rikki Tikki Traveller]

Well, at higher TL, now TL12, you could wear a Tailored Vacc Suit (equivalent to clothes) and then wear a Flak Jacket (to go low tech) over it...

 

[Takei]

Well, at higher TL, now TL12, you could wear a Tailored Vacc Suit (equivalent to clothes) and then wear a Flak Jacket (to go low tech) over it...

True. But wouldn't that break the "Unless otherwise noted, only one type of armour can be worn
at a time." rule?

 

[Infojunky]

Guys don't forget that Dermal Armor exists as well.

So it could be;

Car
Cloth
Reflect
Dermal....

 

[-Daniel-]

Guys don't forget that Dermal Armor exists as well.

So it could be;

Car
Cloth
Reflect
Dermal....

Wonderful point. 8)

 

[Habibo]

also the highest level cloth armour goes under anything including other armours and provides it's protection and get a smart fiber it doesnt get dirty you can always be protected lol

 

[Belisknar]

also the highest level cloth armour goes under anything including other armours and provides it's protection and get a smart fiber it doesnt get dirty you can always be protected lol

I didn't think Cloth armour stacked with other types of worn armour other than things like Reflec

 

[-Daniel-]

also the highest level cloth armour goes under anything including other armours and provides it's protection and get a smart fiber it doesnt get dirty you can always be protected lol

I didn't think Cloth armour stacked with other types of worn armour other than things like Reflec

Rigth now the rule as written states "Unless otherwise noted, only one type of armour can be worn
at a time." and right now Cloth in the CSC does say that at TL12 it could be used under other armour. Thus it is "otherwise noted" . :wink:

** Note: This is something that should be updated in the CRB as the CRB does not say that TL 12 could be used under other armour. :mrgreen:

 

[Nerhesi]

We were talking about this - and I think it's fine.

It makes sense logically, nothing stops me from putting armoured cloth, underneath your armour, then adding armour plating on top - and it is literally just 4 more armour. This is up against weapons doing damage that will easily penetrate (HE ammo, high TL energy weapons.. etc..)

 

[NOLATrav]

We were talking about this - and I think it's fine.

It makes sense logically, nothing stops me from putting armoured cloth, underneath your armour, then adding armour plating on top - and it is literally just 4 more armour. This is up against weapons doing damage that will easily penetrate (HE ammo, high TL energy weapons.. etc..)

Then perhaps you should suffer Dex banes, reduced movement, -DMs to initiative... I'm imagining a diminutive Vargr puffed up to Michelin Man size because of all his armor layers...

 

[Nerhesi]

We were talking about this - and I think it's fine.

It makes sense logically, nothing stops me from putting armoured cloth, underneath your armour, then adding armour plating on top - and it is literally just 4 more armour. This is up against weapons doing damage that will easily penetrate (HE ammo, high TL energy weapons.. etc..)

Then perhaps you should suffer Dex banes, reduced movement, -DMs to initiative... I'm imagining a diminutive Vargr puffed up to Michelin Man size because of all his armor layers...

Then it would be useless to wear that 4 points of armour, as a -1 dex is a massive penalty for a mere 4 points. The -dex comes from more bulky armour, not TL12 hyper advanced cloth, that is at that point, the equivalent of a single layer of toilet tissue or so. Example: Power Armour.

 

[NOLATrav]

Right! I foolishly lost track of the TL 12 hyper advanced bit, and that being the only added layer. Carry on

 

[Nerhesi]

Right! I foolishly lost track of the TL 12 hyper advanced bit, and that being the only added layer. Carry on

Nothin foolish about that - I lose track of things all the time