Armageddon for the Dilgar

Voronesh said:
But youve made a mess of yourself by whining about Armageddon not having anything about your fleet. Sry its just to new. That is my opinion. Not the one from MGP. Might be the same, i dont care. Now after having effectively brought up the community with constant whining, Tenacious big lettering didnt help you either. You win arguments by being calm and logical, not by going all emotional over people.
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I've made a mess of myself by whining? How so? By stating how I feel about the game that I like to play? To feel ripped-off by a book I generally don't need? To feel left out in the cold because my fleet got overlooked, whilst almost everyone else got something new? I think you should choose your words very carefully before throwing mud at others.

I've been very calm and logical - it's the company that screwed me over. I don't have to justify anything to anyone - I'm not in the wrong here.

I'm not on here to flame or troll (it's usually my M.O. but not about this). I don't appreciate forum members telling others to stfu, or to stop whining, or anything else. If some of the community want to be sheep and follow the masses and not speak out when they get the shaft, that's they're business. Me? I'm not gonna fall silent about something I feel strongly about.

And big lettering IS cool. :lol:
 
Very true SNJ, but then you dont care what happens to the ship, you only want the cargo.

Depends on the type of freighter. The ones often seen in b5 shots normnally can be loaded without boarding the actual ship. as containers are easily accesible from outside. When you actually have to board the ship, you only need to supress the guns (token defense normally) and force an entrance somehow. Fighters killing Engines yay.

Fighters should be good at targeting weak points on a freighter like:
Surrender or we shoot holes into your Morrison Coupler (Dont you love technobabble). Or at least something that the Freighter captain definitely would not like. eg the bridge or maybe just kill his engines and leave hims stranded.


Well i consider big lettering either A: Rude, not in your case ^^
Or plain whining. It has no effect other than to make reading the stuff harder......it doesnt help an argument in any way, at least i have never seen it help. ^^


Its just that Dilgar arent even old, and you want new stuff. Yes getting left out sucks. But i think there are more pressing problems.....aka Wahant, why are the bolters slow loading grrrrr. Dunno if that has been changed in arma, but i havent seen it. BTW you did get atmospheric on yer fighters, correctly working viral bombs, that is quite a boost ^^
 
werent the drakh only released this year? to give them an armageddon ship when not all the kinks have been worked out is perhaps a bit early. plus the drazi and vree never got armageddon class ships either.
most of the armageddon class ships are interesting ideas but they arnt really game winners. the EA ones are barely better than the war PL warlock. the ka'bin'tak isnt a huge upgrade on the bin'tak. not entirely sure what to make of a neroon but doesnt look worth it. adira is quite a nasty armageddon ship, so is the victory but thats mainly down to it getting AA and the brivoki looks better than a few of the others but thats about it. if you want fluff the brivoki nearly bankrupt 2 of the league races, which is alot more cash than raiders could put together. the drakh, dunno what you would have bigger than a mothership really, thats already a super carrier. perhaps the dilgar could have had a new big ship that was being worked on but most dilgar lpayers seem quite happy with the nastiness they have now and to use more because their opponent uses an armageddon class ship probably has them rubbing their hands together.
 
katadder said:
werent the drakh only released this year? to give them an armageddon ship when not all the kinks have been worked out is perhaps a bit early. plus the drazi and vree never got armageddon class ships either.
most of the armageddon class ships are interesting ideas but they arnt really game winners. the EA ones are barely better than the war PL warlock. the ka'bin'tak isnt a huge upgrade on the bin'tak. not entirely sure what to make of a neroon but doesnt look worth it. adira is quite a nasty armageddon ship, so is the victory but thats mainly down to it getting AA and the brivoki looks better than a few of the others but thats about it. if you want fluff the brivoki nearly bankrupt 2 of the league races, which is alot more cash than raiders could put together. the drakh, dunno what you would have bigger than a mothership really, thats already a super carrier. perhaps the dilgar could have had a new big ship that was being worked on but most dilgar lpayers seem quite happy with the nastiness they have now and to use more because their opponent uses an armageddon class ship probably has them rubbing their hands together.
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So new releases don't get supported in the Major publication of the year, despite the players still being expected to buy the book?
And as for Drakh kinks, i would assume that those would have already been worked out since the fleet book was published as totally tournament pack compliant. And the Dilgar have been out long enough that any kinks should have been addressed by now.

And i'm sorry, but aren't Drazi and Vree part of the LONAW who can take a Brivoki as part of their LONAW allies? And surely the Vree got a big double saucer ship?

OK, so the Drakh Mothership is supposed to be one of the biggest ships in space, why not give it an upgrade and move it to Arma level as has been suggested, then introduce something else for the Drakh as was done with the EA?
 
NONONONONO

Its a Cylon Basestar thats what it is. Cylon basestar.

Repeat with me:

Cylon basestar.

And its war, why do you always assume stuff is armageddon? IMHO that lvl should be reserved for ancients and first ones ONLY. And yes new races getting new stuff already? Dunno, i can live with it, and yes i love the Drakh stats if not the ships, arr cgis....arrr and Dilagr i already own the feet book. Im only missing a fleet. But i have Warmachine and 40k and uhh a girlfriend RIGHT....(luckily she doesnt visit these forums ^^priority trouble...)
 
It's still a Vree ship.

Again, just to reiterate, the initial point wasn't even the fact that the Drakh and Dilgar didn't get an Armageddon level ship, although it would have been nice, it's the fact that they were pretty much totally omitted from the MAJOR release of the year, so players of these races end up playing catch up for months
 
the vree ship is war level. armageddon as a book was supopsed to be released august so not that long after the drakh really, as was stated earlier would you have gone without ships just to wait for armageddon?

theres 5 fleets now without armageddon choicse:

drakh, dilgar, vree, drazi, raiders

ISA btw dont have any skirmish choices apart from WS fighters which is a waste of a skirmish point. shadows only have choices at raid, war and armageddon. vorlons have nothing belowe raid besides fighters.

saying the vree/drazi can use aramgeddon ships as part of allied LONAW means you are not using one race and completely trying to bypass the races special rules. and 2 motherships with attendant 16 skirmish ships (which i believe you normally only get 12 for an armageddon point) will prob take down all the armageddon ships out there.

also shadows and vorlons got nothing new either, just bumped up in stats and level.
 
uhh no.

Drakh actually got Carriers and Motherships in their fleetbook. They were just allowed to be published earlier. (Yes i dont tire of that, projected was what? 3 months between releases of Drakh and arma? MGP would have had to hold back stuff for arma instead of publishing it right away.)

Dilgar get atmospheric and better virus bombs.



Shadows get nothing new as well.........hrm? They only get shifted around thats it. vorlon get only a new rule mechanic and get shifted around. Should they call for discrimantion as well?

/kick myself for not thinking of this earlier
You get as much or as little as the First ones. do they complain, no havent seen em yet.

/sarcasm
ofc they get discriminated, they are the bad guys.
 
my ISA feel discriminated against because they only have 5 ships types (excluding fighters) and everyone else has so many more :)
 
they still outnumbered in ship types by both he drakh and the dilgar tho so its about time and we still discriminated against :)

early EA and 3rd Age EA didnt get new ships either, one upgraded sagi for early and upgraded the decent warships out of their PL level for 3rd age but nothing new there. in fact people that used to use a combination of warlocks, nova etc now need to comlpetely rejig their fleet.
 
So basically your saying

You dant care about other races that you odnt play.

But you accuse us of not caring about races we dont play.....

Now where is my hypocrite cheese off to.............
 
Both Shadows and Vorlons recieved upgrades to their ships, and are included in Armageddon. What i'm saying is that as a Drakh or Dilgar player, Armageddon simply isn't worth the price tag as our races have been omitted from the book. And just because the Drakh were only released 3 months ago does not necessarily mean ships would have been held back. Perhaps the mothership could have been kept for Arma and upgraded and a replacement could have been included in the Fleet book, thus meaning no drastic change to either book.
 
Voronesh said:
So basically your saying

You dant care about other races that you odnt play.

But you accuse us of not caring about races we dont play.....

Now where is my hypocrite cheese off to.............
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I didn't say I didn't care about the other races - I'm saying if those people feel hard-done by, they should also voice their opinions on the matter.

And I'm not accusing any of you of anything. It's Mongoose that has failed to support 2 of its races with this expansion.
 
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