Another missing thread?

[iamtim]

I read and re-read and it seemed that you could buy +5 armour.

If you're talking about the Item Quality rules, armor can only have Bulwark stacked twice; each giving a +1 to AP. Enduring can be stacked four times; each giving the armor +2 HP. Light can be stacked three times; each giving the armor -1 ENC. Nimble can be stacked three times; each reducing the armor penalty by 1%. All per location where locations apply.

 

[King Amenjar]

Armour doesn't seem to have HP... how would that work?

 

[GregLynch]

I presume he meant weapons ... that's what I designed Enduring for.

 

[iamtim]

I presume he meant weapons ... that's what I designed Enduring for.

Well... the book says armor and weapon. Yay! One errata point for me!

 

[burdock]

Hey where has atgtx gone? I hope this missing thread bizniz hasn't driven him away. He was the life and soul of these boards.

 

[kustenjaeger]

Greetings

I presume he meant weapons ... that's what I designed Enduring for.

Well... the book says armor and weapon. Yay! One errata point for me!

Although the relevant paragraph specifically notes: "Enduring armour and weapons are made to stand up to extra punishment. It gains +2 HP (or +2 HP per hit location in the case of armour)."

Sounds like a modification between draft and final version.

I can't, for the record, see how you can get more than +2 AP (Bulwark x2). Is it possible Armenjar conflated 2 levels of Bulwark (each 2 AP) with 4 levels of Enduring (+2 HP)? This would have given a +10 (albeit the 6 levels would be illegal anyway). It's not an easy set of factors to work through without careful study so no fault of his.

The expense of a heroic bastard sword would be 25,000 silver and take 2500 hours (about 10 months at 8 hours a day every day) and need a legendary weaponsmith. A more reasonable Exquisite bastard sword (which would take 2 enhancements) would cost 1250 silver and take 250 hours (about 30 days full time work) - and the crafter would have to be very good to be successful.

Regards

 

[iamtim]

Is it possible Armenjar conflated 2 levels of Bulwark (each 2 AP) with 4 levels of Enduring (+2 HP)?

Personally I think it's probably because he didn't fully read the rules before he complained about them, which is why the post was deleted.

 

[iamtim]

Hey where has atgtx gone?

I dinna think ye'll be seein' him 'round here no more.

 

[haargald]

He did leave this thread in quite a dramatic huff. He seemed to care about fixing rules, of course he also didn't seem to play MRQ so it was always a mystery why he cared.

 

[haargald]

I'm pretty much disgusted with the heavy handed moderating. Not much point in typing anything.

Well, most of your stuff stays up on the forum, Atgxtg. (What does that screenname refer to, anyway?) Certainly I can probably tell if a post is likely to be deleted due to removal of the thread, usually from the tone of the first post. I'm kind of surprized that thread stayed up as long as it did.

I don't care who'se stuff is being removed. If threads get yannked because the some pople don't want to see anything bad about their game? It's not a forum, it's just a propaganda tool and pep rally.

No more Mongoose products for me.

Pretty dramatic. And I never did find out what his user name meant...

 

[AKAramis]

Atgxtg is suffering from "real life" recently...

He seems, like me, to be waiting to start for some changes in the real-life environment before switching over to MRQ, and like me, likes to tinker.

 

[burdock]

nagisawa wrote

You mean vitriol of them. He rarely had a nice thing to say about MRQ.

Ah...but over the long time he was coming here he came up with A LOT of good and interesting ideas/fixes. He was also really funny sometimes. I think he was one of the people keeping the boards vibrant.

ho hum

 

[burdock]

haargald wrote

And I never did find out what his user name meant...

We established that already - it was a fumbled attempt at typing out the name of an Aztec deity.

 

[Lord Twig]

A percentile system should easily be able to cope with the granularity: if we had +1% per level of quality that would do it. A sword with +5 damage, though, is spectacularly powerful: it's cutting through chainmail as if it wasn't there... except, of course, you could now have bought 10 point chainmail. This is the basis of my dissatisfaction: one thing that I liked about RQ and disliked about D&D was that your character were defined by their own selves; their attributes and their skills, not by what kewl stuff they'd managed to acquire. That seems to be changing.

You're right, +5 damage is spectacularly powerful. That's why I wrote the rules to cap it at +3 (I did waffle a bit whether to go with +2 or +3). The only way you're getting your damage to +4 or higher is with magic. Or Damage Mod, of course, if you're particularly big and burly.

I'll note that I'm going off my original manuscript here. My writer's copy of the Companion is in transit, likely somewhere on or over the Atlantic, and things may have changed somewhat in the editing process. If I'm making a fool out of myself by arguing a point that's no longer valid, everyone here has my sincere apologies.

After having read the Companion a little more thoroughly this statement is very misleading.

Sure the rules cap at +3 damage for a high quality weapon, but Weaponblessing is (as far as I can tell) unlimited. So you can spend 5 Pow and get a sword that is +25% to hit, +5 damage. If that is not a "+5 Sword" I don't know what is. The only question is whether that is an Enhancement bonus or not and whether it stacks with the Keen Exceptional Item Effect.

D&D here we come! :evil:

 

[andakitty]

Yeah, you know about vitriol don't you, nagasawa. :wink:

 

[SteveMND]

Talk about vitriol. That is about the single nastiest thing I have read on this board.

Yah, that's pretty rude, alright.

Though it hasn't led to the closing of this thread or your banning.

True. However, that's "merely" being rude. As M. Sprange mentioned previously, they're moderating topics based on unwelcome posts about the game, not necessarily rudeness...

 

[Old Bear]

Some of you kids might notice I've removed any references to said offensive post.

I'm going to take this opportunity as the senior moderator to make a few points.

Firstly, what you see here isn't heavy handed moderation. You'll know if I get heavy handed. In fact, we have some of the most easy going modding rules I know of. There's plenty of folks out there who would chop you for saying boo to a goose. We don't.

Secondly, my old home was a shark pit called RGMW. For anybody that doesn't know that was a Warhammer newsgroup that used to make Frothers look like a bunch of schoolgirls, so it's going to take more than a very gentle reference to somebody's mum to make me get testy. I appreciate others are more sensitive than I which is why all references have gone in this case, but I'd appreciate nobody PM-ing me because somebody called them bumface, etc. Get my drift?

Thirdly, I rarely do response stuff, so don't be wasting your time expecting repeated responses here. I make my point, I leave. That's how it works.

Lastly, I have enormous sypathy for all you old school RQ guys out there. I'm one of you. I remember good old Rurik, etc. Some of you are never going to accept change, and harken back to the good old days. Nothing I can do. Times change.

Here's an analogy. Frank Miller's 300 comes out next year. It's a movie based on a comic about the Battle of Thermopylae. That's the first ever battle i read about when I was 8, in 1970. It remains closest to my heart. This movie will not tell it like it was, but I'm looking forward to it anyway. Why? Because anything is better than nothing, and I know from reading the blogs on set that the dedication and effort is there, and the desire to tell a damned good story.

That's why next year I'm taking the Studio crew to watch the opening night of the movie and they'll have to endure me at the pub afterwards telling them what really happened. But you can bet your butt I'm going to enjoy it.

Here endeth the lesson.

 

[haargald]

Good on ya Old Bear.

 

[Nagisawa]

Erm, I'd like to apologize for that comment I made. It was I admit a little harsh, and my feeling out of sorts that day doesn't excuse it.

*Bows* I'm sorry.

 

[burdock]

nagisawa wrote

Erm, I'd like to apologize for that comment I made. It was I admit a little harsh, and my feeling out of sorts that day doesn't excuse it.

*Bows* I'm sorry.

aaaaaaawwwwww.........just like a sweet little lamb skipping back to its mommy with its little tail waggling about. Just like a little AWOL trolkin coming back to its dark troll master with fluttering eyelids. What shall we do with him? Stroke him? or eat him?