Aircraft Carriers - reload
- Thread starter katadder
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Der Kommandant
Mongoose
i dont think so but this would have made a decent trait.
Daddy Dragon
Banded Mongoose
...not to mention the extra rules that would be needed to reflect having re-arming operations underway while under fire/attack. I can't imagine too many things that an aircraft carrier crew fears more than having all their fully loaded strike aircraft sitting on the deck when coming under attack.
I am unsure of the legitimacy of this factoid, but I seem to recall that in the movie Midway, there was reference to one of the Japanese carriers still having re-re-arming (originally armed for anti-ship, changed to ground attack, and finally changing back to anti-ship after the American carriers were spotted) operations underway when they were attacked.
Wonder if that's one of the movies you can download (edited: legally) now?
Regards,
Larry
I am unsure of the legitimacy of this factoid, but I seem to recall that in the movie Midway, there was reference to one of the Japanese carriers still having re-re-arming (originally armed for anti-ship, changed to ground attack, and finally changing back to anti-ship after the American carriers were spotted) operations underway when they were attacked.
Wonder if that's one of the movies you can download (edited: legally) now?
Regards,
Larry
well then it looks like carriers really arnt all that worth it. most carry about 4 flights of bomber types, some maybe even 6 but as destroyers come in at patrol level, dont have to worry about AA fire and have just as many torps i think i know where i am going. plus most ships have enough AA fire to deter anything but a huge swam of aircraft.
considering aircraft did a huge amount of change to naval warfare they just dont seem to have that much effect in this game.
one suggestion i would have is to allow all aircraft flights their cannons/machine guns - 1AD per flight, needs 6 to hit always and when hits does 1pt of crew damage rather than hull damage to represent them strafing the aircraft decks.
considering aircraft did a huge amount of change to naval warfare they just dont seem to have that much effect in this game.
one suggestion i would have is to allow all aircraft flights their cannons/machine guns - 1AD per flight, needs 6 to hit always and when hits does 1pt of crew damage rather than hull damage to represent them strafing the aircraft decks.
katadder said:
Thats sooooo not gonna happen, aircraft just never had the calibre of round to punch through ship plating. Maybe against some civilian ships, but I cant see it happening against a warship. Plus, it will give way to all sorts of moaning, that someone's Fulmar has just sunk his battleship!
katadder said:
No plane can puncture the decks on a ship, they are way too thick. The crew will either be below decks, or behind gun screens. You work at Brize, ask some of the flyboys, or Weapons Techs, whether 30-06 or 50 cal can put a hole through 1-2" of steel. It so neglible, its not worth even trying. Also note, the crew casualty rating is not the same as the actual crew on the ship. So, even if you did kill some, it would not register.
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
With a note that each of these operations, for each flight, incoming or outgoing, takes up one 'slot' of the Carrier Trait...DM said:
Wulf
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No plane can puncture the decks on a ship, they are way too thick. The crew will either be below decks, or behind gun screens. You work at Brize, ask some of the flyboys, or Weapons Techs, whether 30-06 or 50 cal can put a hole through 1-2" of steel. It so neglible, its not worth even trying. Also note, the crew casualty rating is not the same as the actual crew on the ship. So, even if you did kill some, it would not register.[/quote]
A p51 red tail mustang was credit with a Destroyer kill in the ETO I must admit I do not know it arms loadout but in the Film "Tuskagee Airman" all you see are gun camra footage of strafing.
No plane can puncture the decks on a ship, they are way too thick. The crew will either be below decks, or behind gun screens. You work at Brize, ask some of the flyboys, or Weapons Techs, whether 30-06 or 50 cal can put a hole through 1-2" of steel. It so neglible, its not worth even trying. Also note, the crew casualty rating is not the same as the actual crew on the ship. So, even if you did kill some, it would not register.[/quote]
A p51 red tail mustang was credit with a Destroyer kill in the ETO I must admit I do not know it arms loadout but in the Film "Tuskagee Airman" all you see are gun camra footage of strafing.
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
There was a B25 variant with a 75mm as well (originally developed for the M24 Chaffee tank, I believe). And various German designs, including a Ju88 with an '88 - although the German versions were primarily anti-tank, not anti-ship.Reaverman said:
Wulf
Soulmage
Mongoose
I don't know about that. . .
I think the issue is more one of scale. In most of the major battles I'm aware of where aircraft played a dominant role, they were being launched from battlegroups that had 4 - 6 or more full-sized carriers. HUGE numbers of airplanes! The problem is in VaS, most battles don't really involve that kind of resources!
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Perhaps a rule that you may attack a Carrier which has announced fighter launch, and automatically will win the dogfight against the launching aircraft. Each flight which would have been launched does 1 AD 2DD to the Carrier, Plunging Fire. Of course, this means you have to announce launches when you move, but not actually LAUNCH until the end of the Movement Phase or later (can't remember when they actually do...).Naranik said:
Wulf
or even in the hangar. Japanese carrier operations at least had aircraft struck down into the hangar for refuelling and rearming (the "flight decks full of rearming planes" thing from Midway is another myth, made obvious by the carrier flight logs that show continuous launch and recovery throughout the attacks).
Wulf Corbett
Mongoose
Yes, but those were launched the PREVIOUS Turn.DM said:
Wulf
