ACTA version 2.

[Hash]

Sure, and I guess you'd like the Pak and the Gaim thrown in for free?Wulf

Actually, all I said was I would like the current ruleset in a single volume - no need to CAF me with the Sarcasm Cannon TM. (Could live without scenario specific stuff like the Earth / Minabari War).

As you imply, however, new fleet lists and rules etc do come out as the game is supported and so the volume is quickly obsolete. That is why I wouldn't mind paying for an online version of the rules that could be modified and updated with examples etc as and when an intepretation of a specific rule is required. I would actually be willing to pay for updates etc to the file online rather than buy a new book although I suspect I am in the minority there.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

Actually, all I said was I would like the current ruleset in a single volume - no need to CAF me with the Sarcasm Cannon TM.

Sarcasm, me? :shock:

LBH has already commented elsewhere that he's seen a Pak fleet list...

Wulf

 

[lastbesthope]

For the record I have every ACTA book (inc. Earth/Minbari war, Drakh, Dilgar etc) released since the revised rules boxset.

Ha! I win, I have all that plus the Original box set, I also have 2 copies of each Rule Supplement, and doubles of SFOS and the starter set.

I also have a draft copy of SFOS from one of the tourneys, it was given to all entrants.

LBH

 

[Ripple]

I have some reservations about V2, but I agree with Hash. Be nice if they had a new updated box that had all the rules as they stand at the time of printing for next year. Would just be much more new user friendly.

Ideally I would want the box set to tell me everything I need to play in a tournament. Then have supplements that add cool features that are not tournament relatated. Campaign items like space stations, additional scenarios, additional ships for the fleets. I know that this has business model issues, but it is somewhat of a customer friendly approach.

Ripple

 

[Reaverman]

So now explane me why shoud i spent any money on an game what is changing complet that a nw version is just after one year needed? Hey whait for the 3erd editon why not wait for the 9nth version why buy it at all it changes in a few weeks again.

If you can wait a year, or two, or more, then good for you.

Most gamers can't wait a week.

Wulf

They can't wait, because someone has said; "In X number of months, we are going to bring this supplemt/game/mini out". Thats where the fervour is coming from, and why people cannot wait.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

They can't wait, because someone has said; "In X number of months, we are going to bring this supplemt/game/mini out". Thats where the fervour is coming from, and why people cannot wait.

But they say it because people beg, plead or demand to know. Sometimes the tail wags the dog.

Wulf

 

[Reaverman]

They can't wait, because someone has said; "In X number of months, we are going to bring this supplemt/game/mini out". Thats where the fervour is coming from, and why people cannot wait.

But they say it because people beg, plead or demand to know. Sometimes the tail wags the dog.

Wulf

But the fire cannot burn, without the fuel to feed it (Yes I know there are 2 other possible sources

People want lots of things, and yes the manufacturer has got to go so far to please them. But sometimes, you dont want to stretch yourself too far

 

[Wulf Corbett]

People want lots of things, and yes the manufacturer has got to go so far to please them. But sometimes, you dont want to stretch yourself too far

Mongoose have also put themselves into a tricky position. They supply counters in the box sets, they allow counters or AoG minis in official Tournaments, and they allow and even encourage the use of the Shipbuilder XML code. Without producing new and different material, they are actually hastening their own demise with generosity!

Wulf

 

[lastbesthope]

Well speaking as one of the primary ship viewer hosters.

Mongoose have never encouraged me in putting up the shipviewer, but they don't mind, I even asked Matthew on Saturday about putting out an Armageddon version, he had no problem with that.

but what you must remember is, the shipviewers, at least those based on Obsidian's one, do not contain any rules info, you still need to buy the books to understand the game.

LBH

 

[Jhary]

Wulf corbett wrote

Mongoose have also put themselves into a tricky position. They supply counters in the box sets, they allow counters or AoG minis in official Tournaments, and they allow and even encourage the use of the Shipbuilder XML code. Without producing new and different material, they are actually hastening their own demise with generosity!

and thats a reason for an Second edition? Hm why had B-tech then over 10 years only one version and have it still?

By the way where do i find the shipbuilder XML code?

 

[lastbesthope]

Follow the links to the shipviewers in my signature.

LBH

 

[Wulf Corbett]

but what you must remember is, the shipviewers, at least those based on Obsidian's one, do not contain any rules info, you still need to buy the books to understand the game.

I entirely agree, but how many sets of rules do you need to play? Barring some details, I've pretty much memorised the rules, and all I now need are ships stats. Mongoose don't make money on people using the Shipviewer and someone else's rulebook.

Wulf

 

[Slightly Norse John]

I voted 'no', mainly for production reasons.
Delays- three months for Armageddon- mould failures, existing lines' boards full of people yelling for support; Mongoose is still overstretched, I think they've got too much going on to do a second edition justice.

Without significant change to the game mechanics, I don't see the need. With significant change, it becomes a major project. It needs to be complete on release- no afterthoughts like the B5 RPG conversion docs- and I don't think Mongoose really know where their towel is. 2008 perhaps, after the BF and SST;Evo business is well out of the way.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

and thats a reason for an Second edition? Hm why had B-tech then over 10 years only one version and have it still?

Initially, at least, by being too early for XML code... then, by producing a metric ton of new designs every breakfast, most of them with new rules.

Wulf

 

[Wulf Corbett]

Without significant change to the game mechanics, I don't see the need. With significant change, it becomes a major project.

It's only a second edition, not a brand new game. It's not suddenly going to use a percentile based system or something. Hashing out rules changes and balancing new fleet rosters would take a long time, granted, but a year? I can't see it.

Wulf

 

[Jhary]

Sorry Wulf but what i was getting it wrong it looked for me new mechanism a new game with a second editon Sticker on the box.

If i need only a suplement more for the update ok but if i have to buy all again i´m out.

We have here a great problem some Shops here order the newest things and get the first edition box for sale.

It took one year to get me my SFOS so do some one think i want to go true this again?

 

[Wulf Corbett]

Sorry Wulf but what i was getting it wrong it looked for me new mechanism a new game with a second editon Sticker on the box.

There would have to be changes, the fleet lists would change, ships would have some different stats. But that'll happen whenever Mongoose produces anything new! Any new game mechanics would be on parts of the game already found wanting. They're not going to change the whole thing out of all recognition.

In fact you could probably stll get away with a read at someone else's copy and a new file for the Shipviewer... :lol:

Wulf

 

[Jhary]

In fact you could probably stll get away with a read at someone else's copy and a new file for the Shipviewer...

Hope so but why then a new edition wait for the next suplemtn after Armagedon and make same pages Rules and throw this catalogpages out.

 

[Wulf Corbett]

In fact you could probably stll get away with a read at someone else's copy and a new file for the Shipviewer...

They do not?

They do not what?

Hm some shout here for i want this and i want that. and before you look twice you have a game that has nothing with B5 to do only the ship names are then B5

I don't see what that has to do with what you quoted?

Wulf

 

[Wulf Corbett]

Hope so but why then a new edition wait for the next suplemtn after Armagedon and make same pages Rules and throw this catalogpages out.

Because it's the piecemeal changes that make the game a mess, and lead to confusion. One complete rewrite to make quite certain everyone is playing the same game.

Wulf