ACTA version 2.

[Commador Q]

i say don't make a new eddition so soon, if mongoose wanted to releae a new eddition winin the next year or 2 they should have done that instead of Armagedon.

there is a reasonably simple compromise between the "we want changes now" croud and the "i don't want to have to buy a new book every couple months" croud, can be found in the form of S+P artcles. it should be easy enough to print official updadtes, changes, and options without having to print a new book every couple of months.

obviously Mongoose has a vested interest in selling more books which add to the fast releae bias, but couldn't mongoose inctead publish new scenarios, and game formats, rather than making small but far reaching alterations to the basic game mechanics and ship lists?

 

[chaos0xomega]

Personally, I'd rather that Mongoose wait 2 -3years, get some new races/fleet lists going, some new rule add ons(ala Armageddon and SFOS), etc. etc. and then release all of the most up-to-date rules+fleetlists+scenarios etc. etc. etc. in one book and starter set. Preferably not like the revised set which doesn't include some of the rules and is basically just half of SFOS

 

[Target]

I think we all are playtesters thats why things having changing so quick.
If there is a serious glitch somewhere to you really want to wait 2-3 yrs.
The book isn't a serious amount of money when you compare it to the models and time spent painting/ playin the game.
Maybe a online version would be good idea.

 

[philogara]

Hope so but why then a new edition wait for the next suplemtn after Armagedon and make same pages Rules and throw this catalogpages out.

Because it's the piecemeal changes that make the game a mess, and lead to confusion. One complete rewrite to make quite certain everyone is playing the same game.

Wulf

Problem is, it MP's track record is such that it will still be followed by tweaks ("fighters are too powerful", "this combination of ships is so unbalanced against my fleet of space aardvarks so it must be changed", etc.). We could run a sweep stake on how many weeks after V2.0 release for the first tourny lists or compendium is released....

 

[Right Hand of God]

Didn't Matt say in one of the pre Armageddon threads that Mongoose's plans for ACTA involved the release of a major book each year? I am positive I remember reading that somewhere.

That being said, if you are going to continue to play the game you have to play it with up to date versions or you get left behind and can't play anybody using a newer rulesset or stats set than you are.

 

[Xorrandor]

For the record I have every ACTA book (inc. Earth/Minbari war, Drakh, Dilgar etc) released since the revised rules boxset.

Those three little words, revised rules boxset, should tell you why some of us are surprised that we're discussing a second edition. And not a third (or fourth).

 

[Triggy]

For the record I have every ACTA book (inc. Earth/Minbari war, Drakh, Dilgar etc) released since the revised rules boxset.

Those three little words, revised rules boxset, should tell you why some of us are surprised that we're discussing a second edition. And not a third (or fourth).

It's more like a second printing than a real revised edition. A few typographical errors and streamlining a very small number of rules to match those in the SFoS supplement.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

For the record I have every ACTA book (inc. Earth/Minbari war, Drakh, Dilgar etc) released since the revised rules boxset.

Ha! I win, I have all that plus the Original box set, I also have 2 copies of each Rule Supplement, and doubles of SFOS and the starter set.

I also have a draft copy of SFOS from one of the tourneys, it was given to all entrants.

LBH

Your mother must be very proud of you?

 

[Xorrandor]

It's more like a second printing than a real revised edition. A few typographical errors and streamlining a very small number of rules to match those in the SFoS supplement.

Hmm, have to check the specifics. All I remember is when SFoS came out, you had to get either that or the revised edition rules to be playing the same game. Might have been more marketing hype than reality, though.

 

[Jhary]

So we are the again in the 5th to XXX version discusion here.
Its one thing to make over the time small changes but if what some here want is a complet change of all mechanism this is the way to loose every player. Why shoud i spend any cent if the game is changin complet every year because some one is to lazy to carry two books or read in more then one for small changes.

Hey cool techno mage ship why no new editon hy cool Psi corp a new editon and so on. with this way you doom ACTA to death.
If you want every week an new edtion play something else.

 

[Triggy]

It's more like a second printing than a real revised edition. A few typographical errors and streamlining a very small number of rules to match those in the SFoS supplement.

Hmm, have to check the specifics. All I remember is when SFoS came out, you had to get either that or the revised edition rules to be playing the same game. Might have been more marketing hype than reality, though.

The main change was that the ships themselves changed and as such the rules set in the original boxed set was (and still is) largely still correct. Speaking to Mongoose and playtesting peeps, it seems very much the case that it wasn't a marketing ploy as much of the confusion that resulted has probably lost them at least some sales. Mongoose wanted to tweak a couple of rules and publish a full fleet list for every race and to do so it was convenient to print it in one book (SFoS). Subsequently, all boxed rules sets incorporated the rules changes but didn't carry the new fleet lists - hence to be "playing the same game" you needed either the revised set or SFoS but the original printing wasn't very different.

 

[lastbesthope]

It's more like a second printing than a real revised edition. A few typographical errors and streamlining a very small number of rules to match those in the SFoS supplement.

Hmm, have to check the specifics. All I remember is when SFoS came out, you had to get either that or the revised edition rules to be playing the same game. Might have been more marketing hype than reality, though.

Revised incorporated the changes to the original box set that were included in SFOS. SFOS included additional rules and ships that were only available in SFOS.

LBH

 

[Tank]

I remember the days when a Nova had hull 6 and range 15, ah those were the days!!!

 

[lastbesthope]

Ah yes, the days known as PRS1
(Pre Rules Supplement 1)

I don't like those days, the WS was way worse back then.

LBH

 

[Captain Kremmen]

I remember the days when a Nova had hull 6 and range 15, ah those were the days!!!

And all beams were rubbish, remember....
Almost all those ships were screwed up. Current armageddon stats are much better except for your uber Sags of course :lol:

 

[Reaverman]

I remember the days when a Nova had hull 6 and range 15, ah those were the days!!!

And all beams were rubbish, remember....
Almost all those ships were screwed up. Current armageddon stats are much better except for your uber Sags of course :lol:

Did'nt ancients have the trait 'Accurate'?

 

[H]

Accurate was a beautiful trait and made the shadows and Vorlons a lot scarier, I think they should have kept it, I also remember the olden days when E-Mines were wonderful weapons, and your enemies set all their ships up 6 and a half inches apart

 

[Greg Smith]

Yeah but the Shadow ships only had 1AD!

 

[Wulf Corbett]

Yeah but the Shadow ships only had 1AD!

And with a 50/50 chance of a hit after the first, it wasn't good...

Wulf