Will the unit cards/rules be available separately?
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Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
the boxes they put up on the site look fairly generic. Unless they have a clear panel for the stat card (in which case you only see half the stats) or a sticker listing the stats on the back, of course. Still, a lot of peopel like to sit down and plan their armies in some detail. I'm sure Mongoose won't mind people doing force generators a la the ActA ship viewers or Hiro's cards, but I'd rather a central, official resource
Jeff Cope said:
No. It would be dumb not to do so.
It is most important that the system is played.
It's better to have people buying the stat cards and bring the game forward instead of having no players and thus no-one to promote the game.
If quality improves many of those will probably come back and reinforce (or even replace) their 'outsource armies' with MGP models.
After all, if they really want them they will get the stats anyway, sooner or later. I don't expect MGP to succeed where the whole music business has failed.
Personally, I wouldn't buy an army I'm not clear what it's capable of.
I want an army I like AND that suits to my playing style.
I don't wanna be stuck with an army I don't like to play.
weasel_fierce
Mongoose
No stats in the book ? Thats barely one step above collectible mini;s. Sorry, no dice from me then.
The stats either need to be in the book, or all the Cards need to be available online, otherwise I won't know what I'm buying and therefore won't buy.
I was really sold on BF:Evo 2 weeks ago, but after the quality control issues and the thought that I won't get to plan my force without buying 1 of every unit I'm not sure.
If infantry was reduced to 20$ US per box I would jump on it in a heartbeat, but I don't really feel like paying 30$ for 8 miniatures if thier not stellar. Vehicle prices are fair though. I never have time to paint, but when I can get a British infantry squad for under 10$ and paint them to the quality that Mongoose is offering in just a few minutes, if I decide to get into the game it will be with third party miniatures.
I was really sold on BF:Evo 2 weeks ago, but after the quality control issues and the thought that I won't get to plan my force without buying 1 of every unit I'm not sure.
If infantry was reduced to 20$ US per box I would jump on it in a heartbeat, but I don't really feel like paying 30$ for 8 miniatures if thier not stellar. Vehicle prices are fair though. I never have time to paint, but when I can get a British infantry squad for under 10$ and paint them to the quality that Mongoose is offering in just a few minutes, if I decide to get into the game it will be with third party miniatures.
AlgernonSidney
Mongoose
Others have said here that the rules are fantastic, even though the figures now suck. I would certainly be willing to try the rules out for modern combat but without army lists it seems a little pointless.
Right now I'm using Infinity for all my 20th century and beyond skirmish gaming ( www.infinitythegame.com ) The rules are spectacular and they are free on their website. I probably would have bought these rules, along with the figs until a couple of days ago, just to see what the hype is about, but without the stats for the forces the book is probably a no go in my mind as well.
Right now I'm using Infinity for all my 20th century and beyond skirmish gaming ( www.infinitythegame.com ) The rules are spectacular and they are free on their website. I probably would have bought these rules, along with the figs until a couple of days ago, just to see what the hype is about, but without the stats for the forces the book is probably a no go in my mind as well.
msprange said:
I would really like to see an official response about how we are going to get the stats besides buying a box.
In my area, people design their army, then buy figures to match the list. NOT buy everything that comes out then come up with a list. I totally agree with this approach.
Nezeray
Bookmarked and Highlighted Hiromoon's website shortcut.
Agreed. At this point I think it would be best to cut the losses and just sell this first batch at cost to break even. I'd like to see something like a "Buy 2 get 1 free" deal on infantry, redeemable at the retailer level. This type deal avoid Mongoose having to send additional product to multiple location/customers and helps move the product faster. Doing a $X off deal just means the customer will just spend less.Darkghost said:
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
Mr Evil said:
Apparently not, according to what Matt's said - I find this much more worrisome than the mini quality issues.
SeattleGamer
Mongoose
It makes no business sense to "require" someone to get their hands on the stats needed to give the game a try. When people buy rules to just about any miniatures game I can think of, they expect to have everything needed to play at their fingertips.
But that doesn't mean the core rulebook must have those stats. The rulebook could have everything else, and for stats, they could say "Check out Signs & Portents for unit stats as they become available." Since S&P is free, then there is no problem. It also serves as a marketing "pull" because while you are checking through the latest issue to get to your stats, you ALSO get to see other cool Mongoose products, and that exposure can result in selling you more stuff.
That would make good business sense.
Now, let's say the unit cards are full-color-photos of the units in question, and have fancy backgrounds, and the stats nicely laid out. Those "cards" could be placed in S&P for you to print on cardstock yourself.
Mongoose could ALSO offer up those same cards, pre-printed for you, in a unit stats pack, much like their ship counter packs. You are not FORCED to buy them, because you can already get the info for free, but if you like the idea of having the printing and cutting and all that done by somebody else, then you will want this.
Charging for them that way shouldn't cause a ruckus, because the info is already out there for free.
I do think that if a customer buys the rules, and then discovers they can't even try a sample game (using cardstock counters if they wanted to, or bottlecaps, anything just to try them out) because they ALSO have to buy the "official" minis, there will be very disappointed gamers out there.
Steve
But that doesn't mean the core rulebook must have those stats. The rulebook could have everything else, and for stats, they could say "Check out Signs & Portents for unit stats as they become available." Since S&P is free, then there is no problem. It also serves as a marketing "pull" because while you are checking through the latest issue to get to your stats, you ALSO get to see other cool Mongoose products, and that exposure can result in selling you more stuff.
That would make good business sense.
Now, let's say the unit cards are full-color-photos of the units in question, and have fancy backgrounds, and the stats nicely laid out. Those "cards" could be placed in S&P for you to print on cardstock yourself.
Mongoose could ALSO offer up those same cards, pre-printed for you, in a unit stats pack, much like their ship counter packs. You are not FORCED to buy them, because you can already get the info for free, but if you like the idea of having the printing and cutting and all that done by somebody else, then you will want this.
Charging for them that way shouldn't cause a ruckus, because the info is already out there for free.
I do think that if a customer buys the rules, and then discovers they can't even try a sample game (using cardstock counters if they wanted to, or bottlecaps, anything just to try them out) because they ALSO have to buy the "official" minis, there will be very disappointed gamers out there.
Steve
im against web relaint products, most of the people i game against have very little to none web access, they have social lives so no time for a puter,
i would suggest that mongoose do cards in the back of the book for players, maybe 4 small sample armies with the cards so they can play with proxies then choose if they wish to go out and exspand with new units from the shops.
to be honest you should include a APC cus you need an apc not cuz it can roll a D10 every other tuesday, so in BFE i dont think armie lists are as important, if your the pla your gonna generaly get what you wish to use, and then realise you need an axtra unit of troops to hit Xpoints.
if your the type of gamer whos going to just use sas infantry along side german lanks as thats how the point work for you, i think you miss some of the point of the game. but then i like to play to a theme, and do a little reaserch.
i would suggest that mongoose do cards in the back of the book for players, maybe 4 small sample armies with the cards so they can play with proxies then choose if they wish to go out and exspand with new units from the shops.
to be honest you should include a APC cus you need an apc not cuz it can roll a D10 every other tuesday, so in BFE i dont think armie lists are as important, if your the pla your gonna generaly get what you wish to use, and then realise you need an axtra unit of troops to hit Xpoints.
if your the type of gamer whos going to just use sas infantry along side german lanks as thats how the point work for you, i think you miss some of the point of the game. but then i like to play to a theme, and do a little reaserch.
Greg Smith
Mongoose
SeattleGamer said:
Except Rackham's Confrontation. The only official way to get the stats for a figure is to buy it. Which sucks. Of course there are a couple of great fan websites that do have scans of the cards.
Being able to plan your army before you purchase the minis is essential for anyone who joins the game later.
Soulmage
Mongoose
Meh. I think stat cards with the figs are fine.
Publishing stats in the book is simply catering to the "I'll buy the rules but not the minis crowd." Mongoose isn't going to make any money off them.
There is some legitimacy to the argument about army planning before purchasing, but I think most people who want to play the game aren't going to decide not to because the stats aren't in the book.
In other words, Mongoose stands to loose more $$ by putting the stats in the book than by not, so they shouldn't. They are a business trying to make money after all, despite how evil some people seem to view that as being. :roll:
Publishing stats in the book is simply catering to the "I'll buy the rules but not the minis crowd." Mongoose isn't going to make any money off them.
There is some legitimacy to the argument about army planning before purchasing, but I think most people who want to play the game aren't going to decide not to because the stats aren't in the book.
In other words, Mongoose stands to loose more $$ by putting the stats in the book than by not, so they shouldn't. They are a business trying to make money after all, despite how evil some people seem to view that as being. :roll:
Here's an example of why the stats should be available online or in the rulebook:
I like the US military. I show up at Gencon Indy and see that there's a 1000pt tournament. I also find out that the minis are prepainted. Cool, I can go to the vendor area, buy my army and play in the tournament.
I thumb through the rulebook. No stats. How do I know what the frell I want to buy? How can I plan my army for the tournament without buying three of everything?
Might as well be playing "clicks", who cares what the stats are because you don't know what you're getting anyway.
I agree if the stats are on the box that helps this situation, but not having access to the stats before holding the box is crazy.
Nezeray
Hiro's new bestest buddy, until he has to stop posting cards online.
I like the US military. I show up at Gencon Indy and see that there's a 1000pt tournament. I also find out that the minis are prepainted. Cool, I can go to the vendor area, buy my army and play in the tournament.
I thumb through the rulebook. No stats. How do I know what the frell I want to buy? How can I plan my army for the tournament without buying three of everything?
Might as well be playing "clicks", who cares what the stats are because you don't know what you're getting anyway.
I agree if the stats are on the box that helps this situation, but not having access to the stats before holding the box is crazy.
Nezeray
Hiro's new bestest buddy, until he has to stop posting cards online.
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
Remember that even most clix games give you the stats free online. I don't mind if mongoose give you the stats seperately - a cheap-ish book with just the unit stats, an issue of S&P or some other free download will do me fine, but I severly dislike the idea of not seeing unit stats until I buy the minis.
