White Star--Armegeddon Version (what are we up to6.2 now?)

[Enalut]

I recenlty played a game agaisnt a freind--Boneheads (me) vs. ISA. Short version of the story, ISA conceeded on turn 3 after he realized how nerfed the new Whitestar was--then we noticed something--the Armegeddon FAQ changed the WS1, not the WS2....

Was this intentional?

So, after discussing it, we are tryignt to split the differnece:

WS1 still keeps its 3+ dodge, but only has the 4 AD molecular pulsars (no precise)

WS2 now gets the 4+ dodge, but gets the 8 AD molecular pulsars with precise.



The idea was that the Armegeddon changes basically made the WS1 completely underpowered and vulnerable. but left the Larger ship more than twice as powerful (2X the AD w/ better traits + missles) and harder to hit.

So we split the differnce--WS1 harder to hit, less firepower; WS2 Easier to hit, more firepower.

What are peoples thoughts?

 

[Burger]

It is intentional. The SFOS WS was too good and there was no reason to take a WSC-2 in preference to 2x WS. Now, the WSC-2 is better than the WS, so there is actually a decision on which to take.

 

[Triggy]

Exactly, most people agree this is actually a pretty balanced couple of ships now with the White Star generally needing to use its speed and manoeuvrability to win a game. If it just careers headlong into the enemy it will almost always lose! It actually makes them a pretty hard fleet to use well but once you do they really rock

 

[Arcadia]

WS1 still keeps its 3+ dodge, but only has the 4 AD molecular pulsars (no precise)

WS2 now gets the 4+ dodge, but gets the 8 AD molecular pulsars with precise.

WS dodge 4+

WS2 dodge 3+

According to Burger Armageddon Stats.

 

[Triggy]

WS1 still keeps its 3+ dodge, but only has the 4 AD molecular pulsars (no precise)

WS2 now gets the 4+ dodge, but gets the 8 AD molecular pulsars with precise.

WS dodge 4+

WS2 dodge 3+

According to Burger Armageddon Stats.

He knows, he was suggesting it ought to be the other way around though.

 

[Arcadia]

WS1 still keeps its 3+ dodge, but only has the 4 AD molecular pulsars (no precise)

WS2 now gets the 4+ dodge, but gets the 8 AD molecular pulsars with precise.

WS dodge 4+

WS2 dodge 3+

According to Burger Armageddon Stats.

He knows, he was suggesting it ought to be the other way around though.

Sorry :shock:

 

[Enalut]

No offense taken Arcadia.

I understand the reasoning behind the change, but I think they went too far to one side--now I think WS1 has become too underpowered. Our thinking was that the WS2 should fit in between the nimble but undergunned WS1 and up gunned but poorly manourverable (by ISA standards) WS Gunship--hence the step up (or down depending on your perspective) in Dodge scores as you go up.

 

[Triggy]

No offense taken Arcadia.

I understand the reasoning behind the change, but I think they went too far to one side--now I think WS1 has become too underpowered. Our thinking was that the WS2 should fit in between the nimble but undergunned WS1 and up gunned but poorly manourverable (by ISA standards) WS Gunship--hence the step up (or down depending on your perspective) in Dodge scores as you go up.

Trouble with the Gunship is that it's so far underpowered it's not even worth comparing ships to it as in this case.

 

[Ripple]

Bah...nevermind...had this arguement too many times.

 

[lastbesthope]

And just to clarify, we are currently on the 5th in print version of the WS stats.

1 ) Original Rules
2= ) Revisions to Book 2 and RS 1 stats
3) Revised Rules/SFOS
4) Tournament version
5) Armageddon

LBH

 

[Triggy]

And just to clarify, we are currently on the 5th in print version of the WS stats.

1 ) Original Rules
2= ) Revisions to Book 2 and RS 1 stats
3) Revised Rules/SFOS
4) Tournament version
5) Armageddon

LBH

And soon (well, in a year or so) to be a sixth version with 2nd ed.

 

[Low Roller 1-1]

And just to clarify, we are currently on the 5th in print version of the WS stats.

1 ) Original Rules
2= ) Revisions to Book 2 and RS 1 stats
3) Revised Rules/SFOS
4) Tournament version
5) Armageddon

LBH

Was it version 2 or 3 that was your finiest hour? a tourney win

 

[lastbesthope]

And just to clarify, we are currently on the 5th in print version of the WS stats.

1 ) Original Rules
2= ) Revisions to Book 2 and RS 1 stats
3) Revised Rules/SFOS
4) Tournament version
5) Armageddon

LBH

Was it version 2 or 3 that was your finiest hour? a tourney win

If you refer to my beating Dralafi, that was in Wheel Of Fire Nov 2005 and that was SFOS rules.

But that was only a 13/7. In the most recent tourney, using Armagedodn rules, I got a 17/3.

LBH

 

[Commador Q]

personaly i don't see the whole "the WS 2 was usless" argument. it was better than a regular WS, granted it wasn't as good as 2 WS but 2 Heavies have more firepower than 3 regulars, and with the new points breakdown you can even get a "free" upgrade to the heavy at war level.

I think the heavy WS was basicly the version that you wanted to use a war level and above games, whereas you'd use the regulars at lower PL. not to mention a heavy WS is cheeper than 2 WS in a campaigne, where you'd tend to upgrade a lot of your fleet to the heavies as you replaced losses/ordered new ships (just like the fluf says).

i say the problem with the heavy WS was peopel kept trying to use them in Raid level tournaments. yes i know raid level tournaments and one off are the most common type of game, but that doesn't mean every single ship has to be usefull in that one type of play. especially seeing as the WS2 is a varient of the regular WS.

as for the WS nerf, i don't think the extent of what they did in Armagedon was nesesary, a 4+ dodge probably would have been enough. i mean i don't recall anyone having problems with the tourny WS.

 

[Burger]

as for the WS nerf, i don't think the extent of what they did in Armagedon was nesesary, a 4+ dodge probably would have been enough. i mean i don't recall anyone having problems with the tourny WS.

The Armageddon WS is virtually identical to the old tourney one. Only difference is the 18" main weapon instead of 15".

 

[Commador Q]

really? i thought it had fewer AD as well, but i may have been mistaken.

 

[Triggy]

Definitely the only difference is range (and that increased from the tourney version). And yes, you're right, most people did think the tourney list version was fine

 

[thehod]

Wait does the WS-2 have +3 dodge? I thought all Whitestars were reduced to +4 dodge?


can someone clarify this for me

 

[Davesaint]

The Whitestar 2 retained it's 3+ dodge.


Dave

 

[lastbesthope]

Wait does the WS-2 have +3 dodge? I thought all Whitestars were reduced to +4 dodge?


can someone clarify this for me

All White Stars are, however the White Star 2 is an entirely different ship ruleswise.

LBH