White Boxing

[MaxSteiner]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/30/AR2006073000579.html

I think the research this article describes has something to with the opinions shown here.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Definite "yes" - think of all the conversion possibilities on plastics. Even metals got some. And many people (me included) use their own colour schemes.

Of course there is the "little" problem of financial results for MGP, so making the "unassembled, unpainted" boxes just special orders would work out just fine.

Someone needs to PM Matt directly, and ask him if it is actually possible.

 

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

I posted in the first SST Evo thread that they should do special orders in a plain white box with a sticker saying what is in it for unassembled and unpainted ones. I really don't see why someone who wants them prepainted is getting all bent out of shape about the fact that some of us want both. I will buy some prepainted ( the Brain Bug comes to mind) and if they are available, I will buy some special order ones. I guess some people just aren't happy unless they can gripe and moan in order to draw attention to themselves.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

I've been giving serious thought to getting prepainted bugs and repainting them, just to avoid having to assemble them

 

[mthomason]

I really don't see why someone who wants them prepainted is getting all bent out of shape about the fact that some of us want both.

Actually I've just been thinking about this.

The more a single plastic product sells, the cheaper it gets for everyone.

If a good number of people went after the "plain" sprues, it would probably drive up the price for the prepainted ones.

I still feel the prepainted would outsell the unpainted (if Mongoose choose to do them) by about 25:1, so I don't think there will be any impact if it happened, but it could explain why some are so against seeing it happen.

If the prepaints don't repaint too well then I could well add my voice to those wanting unpainted, but I'd rather wait and see first (especially as unpainted could well cost more than the prepainted)

 

[Nidalap]

A voice of reason............ At last. If you want to paint them......then just re-paint them. If you want to hack them apart and re-build them.....Fill your boots, I `ve been led to believe you can.
Cheap armies should be the aim of every firm. I know of 1 firm whos torny level army comes in a box for 30 quid.
Why complain about change.......... It happens, it`s up to us to make the game work by our support. It`s one thing to discuss but when we start slaging each other off ............ well in-fighting has got to be bad.

Enough eh?

Come on guys..... Group hug...........oi give me my wallet back you thieving S$%T
:lol:

 

[roughneck GIR]

Come on guys..... Group hug...........oi give me my wallet back you thieving S$%T
:lol:

(*Gives back wallet*

*Pockets cash*

:lol: :lol:

 

[knuckles]

This whole poll seems a little irrellevant. Matt has already said he does not see why this cannot be done. Wheather they are assemble or not depends on how each piece is molded, if all the units are molded one piece then ussembeld is not going to happen. If multi parts (likely due to the complexities of some units) then if the demand is there it should also be possible.

 

[BuShips]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/30/AR2006073000579.html

I think the research this article describes has something to with the opinions shown here.

Sorry Max. I was right there with you; that is until I imagined parts of Mr Evil's "dorsolateral prefrontal cortex" splashing over his keyboard (visualized from his first sig, on the left) :lol: . All humor aside, that article hits too close on a die roll :wink: . It will all be answered when Matt can look at production costs of the minis, with a few set aside for "white box" sales. I really don't see an issue here. It sounds like Matt will look into the possibilities, and then get back to us here with any possible options available. We're all really missing the important part, you know? It's whether or not we will be able to get our dice prefinished, or will we have the option to drill out our own pips and paint them ourselves... (the preceeding was an extremely bad attempt at wry humor to get us to chill a bit) :roll: .

 

[Voronesh]

Yer that article is great.

Though im going to take same route. Cause i think that both should be available. And i think that the extra cost of doing unassembled and unpainted should be carried by those who buy that stuff.

Also i am a fan of BF:Evo prepainted. Cause well M1A2 only have a VERY limited range of camo. Well desert and green come to mind.

But as this is mostly SST:Evo (well this is the SST forum, and no one mentioned BF yet) it should be able to get both. Cause if MI are only going to be available prepainted (Yeah i know they said theyll get special order available) i will probably stop buying extra. Cause well there ARE other really good games out there, that arent from EE as well. ACTA comes to mind.
Mostly because you WILL lose detail if you repaint. Thats a fact, i did it once with a EE Space Marine, it still looks good, but has some detail loss.
And if you wont lose detail by repainting, that just means that the model could use more detail probably.

Also i think single piece models wont be a reality. Mostly has to do with the casting issue, though i could imagine that they consist of only 2-3 pieces. That aside, we dont want plain sprues, we would ver probably happy with a white box, that has 5 jumbled legs and 5 jumbled torsi and well arms with weapons. Or whatever pieces they come in. Doesnt have to be a sprue.

This poll is mostly about us showing MGP that there is enough peeps out there to make unassembled and unpainted a reality.

 

[Doghouse]

I think that unpainted sprues is an excellent idea if it proves to be possible.
I can see that repaints are possible and have no problems with that but there is something to be said about taking a mini from the bare bones and making it your own. I think that I'll be buying PPM and off the sprue minis to be honest, it means that I can assemble a gaming army quickly with the PPM and still work on my own custom force with the bare sprue minis. It's win win as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Look very carefully at the shots of the pre-painted LAMI trooper. There is a slight bit of flash at the sleeve/hand interface. This leads me to believe that the smaller figs will be one piece casts.

Also, as I understand the technology, the pigments are incorporated during molding via some CNC magic, so un-painted won't happen (unless I'm wrong). Still, since the pigment will be in rather than on the plastic, that should alleviate any concerns about loss of detail if you do re-paints.

If the figs are painted post-molding, however, then that's another matter.

Regards.

 

[BuShips]

Look very carefully at the shots of the pre-painted LAMI trooper. There is a slight bit of flash at the sleeve/hand interface. This leads me to believe that the smaller figs will be one piece casts.

Also, as I understand the technology, the pigments are incorporated during molding via some CNC magic, so un-painted won't happen (unless I'm wrong). Still, since the pigment will be in rather than on the plastic, that should alleviate any concerns about loss of detail if you do re-paints.

If the figs are painted post-molding, however, then that's another matter.

Regards.

Yeah Scipio, this industry is certainly going to go through some changes with the neo-tech that's showing up, that's for sure. It makes me feel O...L...D, heh. :lol:

"Well sonny, I remember back in the old days when you had to use something called 'paint', that was made from pigments that were actually dug from the earth. You applied it with a stick that had a cluster of animal hairs on one end. Can you believe it? Now they have the new RFID Nano-Skins TM on the game miniatures that automatically change their camouflage to match the gaming scenery that they're placed in." :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Xorrandor]

I voted no, for a few reasons. My definition of "easily" does not include mail order for the US or UK. That means asking game stores to stock two parallel lines of minis, a.k.a. stocking enough for two separate game systems. I'm also less than convinced that it is trivial to divert product stream in the middle of the factory. It certainly isn't where I work; we go to great pains to avoid it.

It's not that I have anything against unpainted, it's just that I think painted will be more popular. If you can get unpainted kits out there without raising prices on the more prevalent painted kits, and it won't clutter up the distribution chain, then go for it. I suppose my real response should have been maybe; I went with "no" because I think even a small price increase would hurt more than it would help.

As for repainting, I really don't think we're going to be able to tell until we have the pieces in our hands. We can speculate all we want, but since there isn't a looming brake fluid shortage, I don't see any point in getting excercised over it at this point.

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Yeah Scipio, this industry is certainly going to go through some changes with the neo-tech that's showing up, that's for sure. It makes me feel O...L...D, heh. :lol:

"Well sonny, I remember back in the old days when you had to use something called 'paint', that was made from pigments that were actually dug from the earth. You applied it with a stick that had a cluster of animal hairs on one end. Can you believe it? Now they have the new RFID Nano-Skins TM on the game miniatures that automatically change their camouflage to match the gaming scenery that they're placed in." :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yells at ya, BuShips!

Good one! :lol: :lol: :lol:

You forgot the part about us having to walk 30 miles up hill BOTH ways through a blinding snowstorm just to GET to the only hobby shop that sold brushes and paint for 2000 miles in any direction. Not to mention huddling together in the snow for warmth because the shop was only open one day a week. And that was only after we carved our own minis out of walrus tusks, antelope horns, and the bones of poor hobbiests we found on the trail to the hobby shop...

Personally, IMHO, this pre-painted crack is nothing more than an economic ploy: an attempt to save a product that was mis-managed from the start. Last time I checked, Privateer, GW, and Battlefront have no plans to release pre-paints, and they're all doing well...Privateer and Battlefront are doing VERY VERY well.

Flame on, fan-boys!!! If I didn't care, I wouldn't be wasting my time posting. But you cannot deny the following: some very specific questions I raised in this public forum have yet to be answered by the powers that be. Silence speaks volumes.

BuShips...can I have my pill now? I'm feeling very tired...

*shuffles back to confinement*

 

[BuShips]

We both know that Taco is your pill, so make sure to give her some quality time .

As King Solomon's ring inscription said, "This too shall pass" :wink: . I'm starting to think that with the "classic" line of SST miniatures available alongside of the new PPMs, we'll look like cola company customers with the "Classic Cola" faction next to the "New Cola" faction. Regardless of the customers varying tastes, I don't care as long as the cola company flourishes...

 

[Doghouse]

So has there been any official response as to whether these guys will actually be pre-painted as in hand painted enmasse or coloured plastics?
What is the actual process used to paint them? If it's a coloured molding process then they would be little point in buying them on the sprues.

 

[roughneck GIR]

We both know that Taco is your pill, so make sure to give her some quality time .

As King Solomon's ring inscription said, "This too shall pass" :wink: . I'm starting to think that with the "classic" line of SST miniatures available alongside of the new PPMs, we'll look like cola company customers with the "Classic Cola" faction next to the "New Cola" faction. Regardless of the customers varying tastes, I don't care as long as the cola company flourishes...

I never have come to taste any difference between the "classic" and "new" colas....

Is that while Im liking both unpainted and painted?

*Ponders around wondering why that is*

 

[BuShips]

We both know that Taco is your pill, so make sure to give her some quality time .

As King Solomon's ring inscription said, "This too shall pass" :wink: . I'm starting to think that with the "classic" line of SST miniatures available alongside of the new PPMs, we'll look like cola company customers with the "Classic Cola" faction next to the "New Cola" faction. Regardless of the customers varying tastes, I don't care as long as the cola company flourishes...

I never have come to taste any difference between the "classic" and "new" colas....

Is that while Im liking both unpainted and painted?

*Ponders around wondering why that is*

Hmm, was that a rhetorical question? :lol: Yeah, I'll be using both as well. As we get closer to release, Matt should be able to fill us in on what the manufacturing process is and whether the colors are molded in (British translation: colours are moulded in, heh) or applied post-casting. Even if paint is applied over the model, I've seen it thin enough to not affect detail too much. Although I'm a long-time model builder and some might define me as an artist of sorts, Iprobably will not mess much with repainting them. I always seem to have projects to keep me busy.

 

[Voronesh]

Actually i prefer the old coke......and ive thried the new stuff, my tasting buds did not agree.

Uhh yes i also like to assemble stuff, without having to cut it up first.

Coincidence?


So yes i dont think ordering from somewhere else is too difficult. Heck that has to do with LGS (Actually it is the only one within 30 minute car drive. IF i have to drive 30 mins plus 15 mins walking to a LGS, i might just as well order online). Alot depends on the character of the owner. Actually good, its just that he kinda is a GW fanboi...selling other stuff too, but i dunno how serious he is on supporting that stuff *sniff*