What is going to happen

[bblaney001]

When the license goes away.

Are the line developers prevented from publishing things as free fan work on their home pages?

Also any idea if the B5 license is going to another company?

 

[H]

when the licence is gone it is gone, the game will be supported by Mongoose as ACTA, witha new setting or licence

Babylon 5 remains copyright WB, the fans will continue to do stuff, "maybe" mongoose will do bits in S+P but probably best for them to avoid it

no-one else has picked up the licence, "allegedly" WB don't think it's worth it.. NOTE this has come froma third party and NOT mongoose.

 

[sidewinder]

They dont think its worth it, but they still hold on to it rather then sell it to someone else. I'd like to see JMS buy the license outright.

 

[H]

They dont think its worth it, but they still hold on to it rather then sell it to someone else. I'd like to see JMS buy the license outright.

once upon a time i would have agreed, but looking at the terrible demise of his writing standards in parts of crusade, LOTR (this alone means he should never write anything again) and then the lost tales, maybe it's best if JMS keeps hiself to other projects.

 

[McKickaha]

I think I preferred the Sarcastic Hiff







......to the Honest Hiff

 

[tneva82]

once upon a time i would have agreed, but looking at the terrible demise of his writing standards in parts of crusade, LOTR (this alone means he should never write anything again) and then the lost tales, maybe it's best if JMS keeps hiself to other projects.

Then again when you look at his other projects he has done recently you can see he hasn't lost his ability to write.

Maybe it's more of issue about not having same freedom and having to do with relatively even worse budget than with original B5. And not having chance to do long story but limited to short self-containing stories without any idea whether he can continue further doesn't help either. B5 pilot wasn't particulary good either yet we got good series out of it didn't we?

 

[McKickaha]

once upon a time i would have agreed, but looking at the terrible demise of his writing standards in parts of crusade, LOTR (this alone means he should never write anything again) and then the lost tales, maybe it's best if JMS keeps hiself to other projects.

Then again when you look at his other projects he has done recently you can see he hasn't lost his ability to write.

Maybe it's more of issue about not having same freedom and having to do with relatively even worse budget than with original B5. And not having chance to do long story but limited to short self-containing stories without any idea whether he can continue further doesn't help either. B5 pilot wasn't particulary good either yet we got good series out of it didn't we?

Yeah but when the main plotline was over the series wandered as well. Season 5 anyone - which I just recently re-watched - Yawn.

Taken in conjuction with LOTR- !!1X~#** , Crusade- at best some episodes OK, & Lost Tales - best left lost, I am forced to agree with Hiff. (and that doesn't happen very often)

 

[tneva82]

Yeah but when the main plotline was over the series wandered as well. Season 5 anyone - which I just recently re-watched - Yawn.

a) plotline was far from over
b) you aren't aware of all the difficulties he hit there? Let's see...

a) being forced to alter the course so that it could be finished on S4
b) having to recast station commander when Claudia opted to leave. This requires episodes for introducing new character
c) losing his index card for S5 requiring(in quite a hurry) to replan the whole thing from whatever he had in his memory from his initial plans he had planned years ago(and after that not paying much attention since he had S1-4 to work with in the meanwhile). Coupled with above issues causing "some" hurry hardly surprising if first half writing isn't on same quality as usual.

Considering issues he ran into surprise he even got the later half to be good. So hardly fair judgement that one.

As for Crusade: Well gee he DIDN'T have free hand there and hardly had any time. S1 wasn't that good in B5 either as it was still introducing setting. Gee. Same thing needs to be done essentially in Crusade so hardly surprising if it has same issues. Coupled with not having same freedom as he had with B5.

And lost tales...Gee no budget to speak off. No original CGI models left so majority of budget went just to recreate 3d models. No money for extra's. With that you are kinda limited to what you can do. There's not much you CAN do with 5-6 main actors and virtually no extras with little CGI room. Unless you are happy to have parts of story shown by black screens with white text ;-)

 

[McKickaha]

We can agree to disagree.

Face reality my firiend, the B5 universe is not coming back. Its been given several chances and it has unfortunately withered away.

Its format does not lend itself to the big screen, so no re-imagining there either.

Now back to CTA.

 

[tneva82]

We can agree to disagree.

Face reality my firiend, the B5 universe is not coming back. Its been given several chances and it has unfortunately withered away.

Its format does not lend itself to the big screen, so no re-imagining there either.

Now back to CTA.

Did I say it's coming to back?

*re-reads what I wrote* Nope. Didn't say it. Where you got that idea? WB isn't interested in producing more stuff regardless of whether there is demand unless it can be done with sub-par budget which isn't what JMS wants so it isn't coming back.

And failed in what terms? Not in sales which have exceeded expectations. Only failed because WB is too stupid to realize potential they have in this.

 

[Target]

Im afraid that a person that thinks techno mages belong in sci fi has probably lost it.
If B5 was to ressurect it would probably need to get rid of JMS, Get new characters, maybe go for the dilgar war & the prelude to it.
I really hated when fantasy type characters started coming into B5- rrrr Techno mages & thieves gulids :evil: .
Think they are called crime syndicates in the future.
Just my opinion though.

 

[McKickaha]

We can agree to disagree.

Face reality my firiend, the B5 universe is not coming back. Its been given several chances and it has unfortunately withered away.

Its format does not lend itself to the big screen, so no re-imagining there either.

Now back to CTA.

Did I say it's coming to back?

*re-reads what I wrote* Nope. Didn't say it. Where you got that idea? WB isn't interested in producing more stuff regardless of whether there is demand unless it can be done with sub-par budget which isn't what JMS wants so it isn't coming back.

And failed in what terms? Not in sales which have exceeded expectations. Only failed because WB is too stupid to realize potential they have in this.

Re-reads what I wrote- Failed never mentioned that. Withered was the term I used and I stand by it. based on LOTR, Crusade & Lost Tales. Flogging a dead horse is the phrase that comes to mind.

The defending arguements you make for why all of the supplementary series were canned, begs the point if these issues were so insurmountable then the respective attempts should not have happened in the first place.

Bottom line is if was a WB exec looking at the risk of running another B5 remake, based on LOTR, Crusade & Lost Tales v other ways of spending my companies money I would be saying no in capital letters. It is the right business decision, like it or lump it.

& if the B5 universe does indeed have potential that WB don't realise then the results from the supplentary series, whatever the underlying causes, don't seem to reflect that.

Hell we are B5 fans, and even here I have never heard anyone say LOTR was even average standard.

 

[McKickaha]

maybe go for the dilgar war & the prelude to it.
I.

Now there's a fantastic idea, maybe there is some potential after all.

Get LC to write the screenplay.


.....................Unfortunatly, in reality, potential only amongst the presumably dwindling fanbase.

 

[Da Boss]

Im afraid that a person that thinks techno mages belong in sci fi has probably lost it.
If B5 was to ressurect it would probably need to get rid of JMS, Get new characters, maybe go for the dilgar war & the prelude to it.
I really hated when fantasy type characters started coming into B5- rrrr Techno mages & thieves gulids :evil: .
Think they are called crime syndicates in the future.
Just my opinion though.

I really disliked the techno mages in general - one of the other reasons not being fond of Crusade (besides the 1st season being unispiring and not seeding enough intersting things for me for future seasons. Unlike say SG1 which had some very poor 1st season episodes but began building the characters/relationships/interaction which has continued to be a very strong point for them).

Lost Tales was at best ok - the first one was for me a dull and very insular project - def not something to grab a new audiance. The second stepped up a bit more and was interesting (even if the bloody technomages were in it) and actually had some ideas besodes being relevant to the B5 universe - which I would argue the first was not.

Whilst B5 def set seeds for shows such as BSG - its recent incarnations have looked very third rate compared to that series IMO. Not so much in effects and other expensive things - but the qulaity of the writing and the character development/storyline. Season 4-5 was when I lost interest -although to be fair often shows have their best seasons in 2 and 3 (Buffy / Angel for instance)

Legend of the Rangers was horribly bad.................

A Dilgar War project would be superb (get LC to write it though)

 

[H]

once upon a time i would have agreed, but looking at the terrible demise of his writing standards in parts of crusade, LOTR (this alone means he should never write anything again) and then the lost tales, maybe it's best if JMS keeps hiself to other projects.

Then again when you look at his other projects he has done recently you can see he hasn't lost his ability to write.

Maybe it's more of issue about not having same freedom and having to do with relatively even worse budget than with original B5. And not having chance to do long story but limited to short self-containing stories without any idea whether he can continue further doesn't help either. B5 pilot wasn't particulary good either yet we got good series out of it didn't we?

it might be he just lost it with B5. I thoroughly enyoyed Jerimiah, which was the first thing i saw him do post B5. but their is no excuse for LOTR, none!
I think B5 is dead and buried now, but wouldn't mind seeing someone take a crack at the Telepath war.

 

[Burger]

wouldn't mind seeing someone take a crack at the Telepath war.

Ooh, I hope Byron is in it! :lol:

 

[M1ndr1d3rs]

wouldn't mind seeing someone take a crack at the Telepath war.

Ooh, I hope Byron is in it! :lol:

Byron is the harbinger of boredom and he will lead B5 fans into their doom.. All this has happened before.. And it will happen again.. again.. again.. again.. again..

:lol:

 

[lastbesthope]

wouldn't mind seeing someone take a crack at the Telepath war.

Ooh, I hope Byron is in it! :lol:

Given he flambeed himself before it all really kicked off I doubt he couldd make a direct appearance.

LBH

 

[Burger]

wouldn't mind seeing someone take a crack at the Telepath war.

Ooh, I hope Byron is in it! :lol:

Given he flambeed himself before it all really kicked off I doubt he couldd make a direct appearance.

Bah, don't give me that. Death couldn't stop Obi Wan, and Byron could kick his butt easily!

 

[Joe_Dracos]

We can agree to disagree.

Face reality my firiend, the B5 universe is not coming back. Its been given several chances and it has unfortunately withered away.

Its format does not lend itself to the big screen, so no re-imagining there either.

Now back to CTA.

It will... in a decade or so when WB lets somebody new take the riegns (ala BSG). It needs a really big overhaul to appeal to todays audience and JMS is not the guy to do it.

As for ACTA, I'm noticing a pattern with the way the game is being developed. P&P took far too long to be released after 2nd edition was released (and 2nd edition contained very little new material, just altered old material). The constant delays caused interest in the game to wain, and that reduces sales. P&P didn't have as much as it should have had. Since there were no new models, new counters should have been published along with all of the ships that were promised (following through on your promises is a big deal for companies and delays of any sort will cost far too much in the end.) Our group lost 3 players during the delay time, and since a large portion are more like clarifications and S&P articals we lost 2 more players. Quite frankly, I am even begining to have reservations about the new ACTA that is supposed to come out "soon". The new product may never be (at least this is the doubt in my mind). I've even begun looking to other companys for games.

Come on mongoose.... get it out there