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emperorpenguin said:
question: why would you even put in "unrealistic" options? :? does that mean there will be more "fantasy" designs?

mate, the game is set about 10+ years in the future, god knows what will happen by then, if we went 10 years back in the past we would be expecting stuff like RAH-66 to be in service however today that could not be further from the truth ;)

it is not a far stretch of mind for a Future Lynx to have AT missiles fitted onto it, its been done during times in the past to other helos and its especially viable due to the fact that the British army's attack helo is of US origin and with Evo pitting Britain with the Euros against the US its possible that support for the WAH-64D may of been cut meaning a emergency stopgap measure in the form of a tank hunting future lynx may of been created.

just my 2 cents.

btw for some amazing 'fantasy' ideas for Evo see theJohn Birmingham's 'Axis of time' trilogy! M1A3s and caseless ammo rifles anyone? :twisted:
 
Gibbs said:
To answer your question how about these options Shadow, CKEM, 40mm Warrior Cannon, 150mm Gun on Leopard 2... Remember that MGP doesn' have oracles... they're making educated guesses about what armies are looking at acquiring in the future...

missile racks on the sides of transport helicopters aren't unrealistic.

but as I have said time and again, the info on Future Lynx states exactly what it will do. I PM'd Matt to tell him this a year ago and was told the British would get the Apache but they changed their mind not long afterwards. The info on the LSW is easily available.
The warrior is supposed to get a 40mm cannon.....

If you read the info I presented on Evo Command, the missile racks on the wheeled version of the Lynx are unrealistic, the plan to add them was scrapped.
 
emperorpenguin said:
question: why would you even put in "unrealistic" options? :? does that mean there will be more "fantasy" designs?

looks a real possability to me :D

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present version in the gulf

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Chiwie said:
mate, the game is set about 10+ years in the future, god knows what will happen by then, if we went 10 years back in the past we would be expecting stuff like RAH-66 to be in service however today that could not be further from the truth ;)

it is not a far stretch of mind for a Future Lynx to have AT missiles fitted onto it, :

again AW scrapped the idea of TOW launchers on the wheeled Lynxes

there is a big difference between a canceled project and a project which isn't even being considered...

It's not a case of not knowing, but a case of poor information. The LSW wasn't being dropped one year ago, nor were missiles being strapped to Future Lynxes, this was when the game was designed. It'd be different if we were talking 30 years from now but we are talking 2015, 8 years, modern equipment with known plans
 
Mr Evil said:
looks a real possability to me :D

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:roll: Evil you silly boy

It says Royal Navy down the side, it carries Sea Skua 2

If I ever find out THIS was used as the basis of Mongoose's ARMY helicopter I'll kill someone! :twisted:
 
yeah in the navy news last year there was a big piece on what the future lynx will be able to do, so mongoose don't need to do much guessing!

EDIT: but the Army are going to use it a lot too! Joint development or something or other, i'll see if i can find the old navy news issue it was in.
 
Valen is my name said:
yeah in the navy news last year there was a big piece on what the future lynx will be able to do, so mongoose don't need to do much guessing!

exactly my point, the same with LSW. Back in 2003 even I knew just from friends in the army that LSW was staying when the Minimi was introduced!
Hell if anything there was talk of reducing the section size to 6, two fire teams of 3 but that didn't make it into BFEvo if we want to talk not having crystal balls....

EDIT: but the Army are going to use it a lot too! Joint development or something or other, i'll see if i can find the old navy news issue it was in

for recce, spotting for the Apache (since Gazelle is going) and transport
 
well currently the navy remove anti ship missiles and replace with anti tank missiles and such for ground attacks, lynx have been equiped with rockets for ground attacks for years evan during the cold war period.

and a few months ago i did a link to a report the army wish to turn the future lynx into a gunship due to its speed.
 
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maybe there pringle carriers, ive seen loads of army Lynx with rocket pods on the side of many diferent configerations, they used to land in a feild behind my dads old house many years ago as part of an excersize, and i used to see them again when i was at westlands.

good read is this

http://www.vectorsite.net/avlynx.html
 
Mr Evil said:
well currently the navy remove anti ship missiles and replace with anti tank missiles and such for ground attacks, lynx have been equiped with rockets for ground attacks for years evan during the cold war period.

and a few months ago i did a link to a report the army wish to turn the future lynx into a gunship due to its speed.

Evil the Navy don't do any such thing, where's your proof? They hunt subs and surface ships
The Army used Lynx with TOW until we got Apache which is probably what you are thinking of....

where is this link because I've never seen it.....
 
Mr Evil said:
this i beleive is nicknamed the WASp used for scouting

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maybe there pringle carriers, ive seen loads of army Lynx with rocket pods on the side of many diferent configerations, they used to land in a feild behind my dads old house many years ago as part of an excersize, and i used to see them again when i was at westlands.

first of all that is the old Lynx due to be retired, it is armed with TOW, which cannot be fitted to the later wheeled versions (as Future Lynx is)

You should know that the Apache which we shelled out billions for has replaced it in tank hunting.
 
Mr Evil said:
good read is this

http://www.vectorsite.net/avlynx.html

well I KNOW you didn't read it :roll:

because....

The new landing gear scheme prevented the AH.9 from using the same TOW carriage arrangement as the AH.7, and so the AH.9s were not used in the tank-killer role. Westland did consider a new TOW carriage arrangement, optional T800 engines, and a wide range of other enhancements for the AH.9 as the "Battlefield Lynx" for the export market, but nobody bought off on the idea.

The Lynx is now being replaced in the anti-armor role by the Boeing / Westland WAH-64 Apache AH Mark 1 gunship, armed with the more potent Hellfire anti-armor missile, and the anti-armor Lynx will be phased out in the 2005:2010 timeframe, with the machines to be transferred to the light utility helicopter role.

The improved Lynx variant is currently known simply as the "Future Lynx". Current concepts see the Future Lynx as fitted with the LHTEC CTS800 turboshaft, raising the Future Lynx's payload to 2,056 kilograms (4,533 pounds), 20% more than the current Lynx AH.9. Some airframe improvements would also be incorporated, most prominently Westland 30-style tailfins. Other improvements include a digital glass cockpit with four large multifunction displays (MFDs); an advanced countermeasures suite; improved IFF and data modem; a nose-mounted electro-optical sensor turret; and laser target designator.

The Royal Navy is also interested in a variant of the BLUH designated the "Surface Combatant Marine Rotorcraft (SCMR)", with possible orders of 40 to 60 machines. The Lynx SCMR would be armed with the new "Future Anti-Surface Guided Weapon (FASGW)", which would be a follow-on to the Sea Skua light antiship missile and would feature greater range. The FASGW is expected to enter service in 2012.

All from that site Evil.....
 
Something that has been scrapped by the army may find itself resurrected by necessity though. We can't make that call at all. It seems to me that MGP has decided that the Future Lynx will go the way of the current Lynx and the Iroquois ie transport and gunship ability. Yes the UK has Apaches but they won't be everywhere and I'd suggest that giving the Lynx the AT ability is a smart move to make.... Also remember that MGP's main policy about weaponry is that it is made in the country of origin.. ie EFTF can't get US equipment and vice versa (eg SCAR and M416s) These armies are fighting each other... they won't supply each other with weapon systems.
 
So emperorpenguin. Why you don't simply leave missile pods out and use it strictly transport. Problem solved. No need to lose your sleep over this :lol:
 
* The British Army made very good use of the Lynx. It saw extensive service in Northern Ireland, providing troop mobility in areas where ground transport might well be bombed. At least one AH.7 was fitted with a "Chancellor" TV / infrared imaging ball turret on the left side of the fuselage behind the cargo door, with the turret used to observe Irish Republican Army activities.

Anti-tank Lynxes served with distinction in the 1991 Gulf War, known as OPERATION GRANBY in the UK in contrast to the American OPERATION DESERT STORM. The basic combat team consisted of two TOW Lynxes and two Gazelles, though sometimes larger hunter-killer groups were deployed. They were painted in desert sand colors and racked up big scores with TOWs on Iraqi armor. The TOW Lynxes were fitted with sand filters and countermeasures kit, including the hay box exhaust suppressors, the AN/ALQ-144 disco-light jammer, and the Sky Guardian RWR.

* Even as the Lynx was establishing itself in British Army service, Westland was working on an advanced successor, referred to as the "Lynx 3", partly with a Franco-German helicopter gunship requirement in mind. The Lynx 3 was a major modification, with a new, thicker tailboom that featured prominent tailfins; Gem 60-3/1 engines, with 940 kW (1,260 SHP) each; a stretched forward fuselage; wheeled high-shock tricycle landing gear to provide better crash survivability; and carriage of the US Hellfire anti-tank missile, the much improved successor to the TOW.
 
Gibbs said:
ie EFTF can't get US equipment and vice versa (eg SCAR and M416s) These armies are fighting each other... they won't supply each other with weapon systems.

The SAS are armed with American guns....

Abrams use British CHOBHAM armour

Apache is built under licence, we will already have a fleet of them by then so if I want to play day one of a US-EU war I must assume all Apaches spontaneously explode?
 
tneva82 said:
So emperorpenguin. Why you don't simply leave missile pods out and use it strictly transport. Problem solved. No need to lose your sleep over this :lol:

because I have a problem with incorrect equipment in a wargame. If we were talking 75mm guns on a Tiger tank there'd be consensus but because it is a few years away there is a magic wand to "make stuff up" as an excuse for poor research :x

No amount of leaving out missile pods gives me LSWs
 
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