Wargaming or hobbyist?

[Mage]

Over the while debates have raged back and forth. People have defined miniature gaming, wargaming, skirmishing gaming, whatever.

People argue needlessly, but in essence we have two camps. And we disagree, and some are annoyed at comany's decision. However we are all gamers.

Two famous sayings spring to mind:

'you can't please all of the people all of the time'

and...

'can't we all just get along?'

So we have ex Gwers. Hobbyists. Wargamers. Painters. Modellers. People who like doing stuff the old way.

And then heroclikers. People who do not have time to paint even though they used to. Noobs, and old timers. Enthusiasts. Collectors.

Dont know where this is going. I suppose just to point out how some little issue on an otherwise freindly board.

So we have Hobbyist Wargamers. And then we have Spirited Wargamers I suppose if you like that one.

I think there are better ways of going around the arguments. Sure the lack of prepaints sucks to some and they are annoyed, but they still come onto these forums to discuss, but arguments still arise.

So, please no more arguments. We can all agree. Sure it can get heated in debates, but come on. We all like miniatures, and gaming.

What do you guys think?

 

[BuShips]

I really can't agree with anything that you said. :!:
J/k btw. :wink:

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Hmmm...

I think this "Why Can't We All Just Get Along?" idea is utter nonsense. Hippy, tree-hugging nonsense.

After all, we ARE talking about WARgames, aren't we? And doesn't WAR mean CONFLICT?

I think we should just settle it once and for all. A no-holds-barred, demolition, tag-team, caged, to-the-death grudge-match between the "Pre-Paints" and the "Purists." We'll find out who the REAL wargamers are, baby!

Professional wrestling has already expressed interest, and we could likely get this on Pay Per View and maybe even on satellite!

*voice over*

SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!

The ULTIMATE SMACK-DOWN IN THE ULTIMATE CONFLICT! RAW ACTION, WITH ONLY ONE WINNER! PRE-PAINTS vs. PURISTS...ONLY ONE WILL WIN!!! THIS GRUDGE HAS BEEN BUILDING FOR YEARS and NOW IT'S GOING TO EXLPLODE!!!! TICKETS ARE ON SALE NOW! DON'T MISS THE ULTIMATE BATTLE OF THE FINAL WAR!

:lol:

 

[BuShips]

Even though I've never done this, I vote for paintball! I pick Scipio as my team leader. :wink:

I'm just not sure which side I'm on though, as I own both and like both. :roll: Hmm, maybe I can play double-agent and play both sides to the middle? :twisted: :lol:

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

BuShips & ScipioAmericanus - especially as sort of 'leaders' on these board, I would have expected a slightly more mature response to Mage's post.

I'm sure if you really think about what he wrote, you can see he did so out of hope and good intentions.

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

BuShips & ScipioAmericanus - especially as sort of 'leaders' on these board, I would have expected a slightly more mature response to Mage's post.

I'm sure if you really think about what he wrote, you can see he did so out of hope and good intentions.

And you need to remember that it's ALL in good fun!!!! And NONE of it is really meant to be serious!!!

If we can't crack on each other in THIS forum, then I think we've lost a lot. The idea of "community" comes to mind...

So...go ahead. Make fun of my "southern accent!" Call me a "Cracker." Call me a "Hill-Billy." I'll probably agree.

Regards.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Actually, you missed out those who buy Miniatures just to build and paint!

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

Actually, you missed out those who buy Miniatures just to build and paint!

Good point. Have you ever seen the dubious form of entertainment that we here in the Colonies call "Professional Wrestling?" If not, then my sarcasm will be for naught.

Regards.

 

[Ben2]

Depressingly, I seem to do a lot of just building and painting rather than gaming. Tomorrow will be the first outing for my Deathwing, and I've almost painted a 1000 point genestealer army but not at any point used it so far.

Much of my SST stuff is assembled and part painted, but has not yet fired a shot in anger.

I suppose that makes me a hobbyist gamer. I find pre-paints (or at least the concept of them) convenient, but will convert and paint models anyway for something to do with what little spare time I have.

 

[BuShips]

Ben2, you've hit upon a point there with the term "spare time". Some of us just find it hard to make the time to paint, so having a prepainted (let alone pre-assembled) gaming option is important to have.

Those that liked to assemble many plastic models in their "youthful" years (me in spades on that one) still very much enjoy the hobby aspect of well, the hobby. The skills of model finishing and kit-bashing are built up over time, but we can all find enjoyment no matter our level as defined on a model kit box (heh).

I don't worry about us defining ourselves into smaller sub-groups, as we do this anyway in life. The military manpower (sorry, ladies) of any nation is diversified into air, land, sea, active, reserves, coast guard and even the SP/MPs that toss 'em all in jail overnight for having barfights over which service is best. But let an enemy poke his head into the barfight, and you'd have a realingment dang quickly. That same crowd that had been first hazing and then fighting amonst themselves would disengage their headlocks on each other and then lock arms in allegiance upon seeing their common enemy.

On a schoolground, the same brother that had been hazing his younger sibling at breakfast would come to the aid of his brother in a fight. "You don't do that to my family" or somesuch thing said before plunging into defence of family honor. We are silly creatures, we humans. :roll: :wink:

I've always thought that a good, no a great, idea for a story would be for all of humanity to stop ALL of its discriminatory behavior to one another when suddenly faced with an outside threat such as an ugly exo-race. The Arachnids fit the bill, eh? :lol:

This is not my idea, as I remember an example of this portrayed in "Lathe of Heaven" by Ursala K. LeGuin (sp?). A singular "special" person in this book could have a dream and then wake up to find it became true. PBS broadcasting has done TWO versions of it and it's a classic in sci-fi. This person on one of his dreams was suggested by another to get rid of world disease. Oops, the next day there was overpopulation! Then this person was suggested to solve the overpopulation and... oops, there was a virus that killed billions. Next, the person thought to eradicate race discrimination, and all of the people on Earth were "greys"- all the same. Finally (I'm enjoying getting to this), he dreams of "Peace on Earth" and alien forces invade the Earth's moon and unite Mankind. :roll: :lol:

Although I've never read the books, I know that Harry Turtledove's alternate history stories has WW2 stopped by an alien invasion. Sure enough, the World unites Allies & Axis to fight the alien threat! Anyway, this seems to be a common thing with humans, so don't worry. We may bicker amonst ourselves, but we ARE a single family here. Now come on, let's have a group hug (so I can give you a headlock and a knuckle rub, lol). :wink:

Anyway, "Peace on Earth" because aliens try to whack the Earth. I love it! Merry Christmas early, everyone! :lol:

 

[Paladin]

So all we need is an alien presence to show up on the forum and flame us all... :lol:

 

[BuShips]

So all we need is an alien presence to show up on the forum and flame us all... :lol:

That's about it. :wink:

We may disagree and have different opinions on various things here, but we are a family nonetheless and that's a good thing.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

I don't think that "wargamer" and "hobbyist" or however you want to define them are mutually exclusive options - I've played great games of Magic, Mechwarrior, Heroclix and whatever else and plenty of crap ones too. And the same goes for BattleTech, WarMachine, Hordes, SST, ActA and so on.

The important thing is to find people who are fun to play with. Over on the Traveller boards someone mentioned recently that on older Traveller Mailing Lists and Newsgroups that new joiners would be derided for running campaigns differently to how the established posters imagined the game should be run. That kind of attitude does nobody any favours.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

I don't think that "wargamer" and "hobbyist" or however you want to define them are mutually exclusive options - I've played great games of Magic, Mechwarrior, Heroclix and whatever else and plenty of crap ones too. And the same goes for BattleTech, WarMachine, Hordes, SST, ActA and so on.

The important thing is to find people who are fun to play with. Over on the Traveller boards someone mentioned recently that on older Traveller Mailing Lists and Newsgroups that new joiners would be derided for running campaigns differently to how the established posters imagined the game should be run. That kind of attitude does nobody any favours.

Does playing 'Tick' (Tag to our over the pond friends) in the back garden count . . . . .

:lol:

 

[Col_stone]

The sooner humanity gets a common enemy the better..

A wargamer imho is someone who creates make believe conflicts and resolves them using a ruleset of some sort whether he plays boardgames with chits, miniatures or even some computergames

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

The sooner humanity gets a common enemy the better..

A wargamer imho is someone who creates make believe conflicts and resolves them using a ruleset of some sort whether he plays boardgames with chits, miniatures or even some computergames

We have (at the risk of being called a Hippy) several.

Racism, Sexism, Pullition, Greed, Cruelty!

The list goes on . . . . . . . .

 

[BuShips]

The sooner humanity gets a common enemy the better..

A wargamer imho is someone who creates make believe conflicts and resolves them using a ruleset of some sort whether he plays boardgames with chits, miniatures or even some computergames

I have customers in my computer/hobby store that see my "wargaming" figures and boards laying about and glare at me for "supporting" war. :roll:

For those folks, I take out a sheet with a quote from the "father" of modern wargaming on it. A certain "H.G. Wells" said that gaming with toy soldiers (paraphrasing here) was much better than the real thing. It was a way to have battles with no spilt blood or torn bodies that the real thing has. It seems to work, as their look of superior morality over me seems to wane, heh. Then of course I get customers that take a look and go "Wow, that's sooo cool!"

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

The sooner humanity gets a common enemy the better..

A wargamer imho is someone who creates make believe conflicts and resolves them using a ruleset of some sort whether he plays boardgames with chits, miniatures or even some computergames

We have (at the risk of being called a Hippy) several.

Racism, Sexism, Pullition, Greed, Cruelty!

The list goes on . . . . . . . .

Hippy. :lol:

Add...Poverty, Religious Fanatacism, Fanatacism of all Types, Intolerance, Exploitation, Human Rights Abuse, and...quite possibly the worst of the lot... beets. Oh sure, "they're good for you" but they look like raw tuna and taste like what comes out of a tuna's end. And don't try that "they're full of iron" stuff on me! So is an ore freighter.

How could something that tastes so nasty have such a wide fan base? Oh, I know! Beets are actually alien mind-control pods. There's your "alien menace" right there.

 

[Col_stone]

Ah Lt, it's those problems i think would be washed away fairly quickly in the case of aliens attacking us

Buships, i've had to face those situations myself, some people eh?

 

[BuShips]

Ah Lt, it's those problems i think would be washed away fairly quickly in the case of aliens attacking us

Buships, i've had to face those situations myself, some people eh?

Yes, it even shows up in our beloved game of Starship Troopers. The politics of Verhoeven (the director of the film) was integrated into the film, with a warning to make sure that we keep our military in check, lest it rule us all. :roll: Heinlein had his own axe to grind, commenting on a self-imposed ban of atomic weapons testing by the USA by writing the book. I'm very glad that he acted on his political beliefs or we wouldn't possibly be here on this forum, now would we? :lol: