Vorlons cant jump point bomb in 2nd Ed? Scout needed?

[Greg Smith]

Katadder is right. In 2e beams can't be redirected.

 

[Da Boss]

yes as I understand it the main reason for Vorlons not having a Scout before was the lock on ability with Beams - but thats gone so there is no reason not to have one..................

 

[Alan_Calister]

hi

I'am a vorlons player.

The vorlons will need a scout if they don't have a spécial rule for the AJP.
It's not fair to withdraw this tactical possibility from them if other race can use it, with lower priority vessels (i.e. blue whitestar).

Even if i don't use this tactic often , it can work great against cluster of fighter , when it work.

 

[Da Boss]

hi

I'am a vorlons player.

The vorlons will need a scout if they don't have a spécial rule for the AJP.
It's not fair to withdraw this tactical possibility from them if other race can use it, with lower priority vessels (i.e. blue whitestar).

Even if i don't use this tactic often , it can work great against cluster of fighter , when it work.

Too right - seems like Age discrimination to me Same as lack of variety of shps, not having proper experience table, no "other duties" many of which fit perfetcly for the manipulative First Ones. :roll:

 

[Sulfurdown]

After having seen the episodes leading upto Into the Fire, I'm almost inclined to salute Mongoose for doing as well as they did for bringing the Vorlons/Shadows to a playable faction level. Those episodes put me in a mindset that they should be special scenario fleets only (and I love playing the Shadows).

 

[Da Boss]

After having seen the episodes leading upto Into the Fire, I'm almost inclined to salute Mongoose for doing as well as they did for bringing the Vorlons/Shadows to a playable faction level. Those episodes put me in a mindset that they should be special scenario fleets only (and I love playing the Shadows).

Well presently they are presented as a fleet - an option for players to choose like any other and as long as that is the case (Personally I hope it always is) they should have the same options as other fleets ie some more ships and a proper experience table - The ISA are getting lots of new ships, having always had access to allies and they only have a couple of ships in the show - lets face it almost exclusively White Stars. I agree with this - but it should be extended to the Shadows and Vorlons OR make them NOT a real fleet - at present they are in the middle.

There is no reason not to give Vorlons a Scout - and I have outlined the numerous reasons why they should before. I would also question that the first ones fighters are as they are in the show - ie in ACTA they are dire, slow and easy to kill. I Don't agree with the arguments that "oh we First Ones don't dogfight - even against really nasty fighters, we just make fighters for a laugh, not actually to do things" don't recall that actually being said or shown in the show???? The shaodw fighters get chewed up by white star (commanded by the main cast) - but what doesn't and are rammed by a Narn fighter............. The Shadows fight the Minbari and never learn anything about the usefullness of fighters? Hmm so much for evolution through combat.
Lastly, in the Show - the Shadows especially, are only as hard as the plot demands - latter in the series they get killed by pretty much everyone who fires at them (sadly). The Vorlons hardly appear in combat.............So actually there is a huge amount of leeway to do what has been done with EVERY other fleet - make more ships!!

have fun!

 

[Sulfurdown]

The Drakh haven't had more ships added to their fleet! (Hold it - I know they haven't been out long and are rumoured to be getting new ships with 2E. Just couldn't resist.)


I also questioned the lack of an other duties etc for the V/S a little while ago and even came up with some for them. Though I think in the case of Shadows and Vorlons they originally weren't meant to be full blown fleets and have evolved into a more viable, competitive faction as the demand called for it. Maybe with 2E they'll get the additions.

I think the Vorlon Listening Post should get a Scout trait.

 

[Da Boss]

The Drakh haven't had more ships added to their fleet! (Hold it - I know they haven't been out long and are rumoured to be getting new ships with 2E. Just couldn't resist.).

True, I am all in favour of them getting more ships............. although they do have more than 4 ships!?

I also questioned the lack of an other duties etc for the V/S a little while ago and even came up with some for them. Though I think in the case of Shadows and Vorlons they originally weren't meant to be full blown fleets and have evolved into a more viable, competitive faction as the demand called for it. Maybe with 2E they'll get the additions. .

If its the one I think it is - it was exceptional work and much better than my efforts - only hope that the powers that be can match it.

I think the Vorlon Listening Post should get a Scout trait.

hmm maybe - seems sensible as thats what it does! Still think they need a Scout (see previous reasons).