Vargr: "their eyesight is worse in darkness?!?"

You do need to recognize what's on the computer screen.

How do you chart a course to another parsec?

If the equation tends to be mostly tying together predetermined modular algorithms, the data could be vast, but the time tinkering with the formula relatively short.


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WHULorigan said:
But that was never really the issue. The issues were external data modules (cassettes) and their capacity, and Condotierre raised the relative processing capability of basic Computer Models as a reminder for the discussion.
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A Jump Cassette is an external storage device. Capacity is unlimited.
 
WHULorigan said:
But the size of a given program or programs (i.e. it's sophistication) running in a CPU is limited by Computer Model.
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Where does it say this? Size of the program is nothing. All that matters is how much Bandwidth it uses while running, for what type of Computers can run the program. You could store a TL-17 Conscious Intelligence program on a TL-7 Model/0, but you would not be able to run it. As far as I am aware, that is RAW.
 
Experience with computing indicates that there are severe limitations of the performance of a Seventies mainframe.

And presumably, the time window that the programme is controlling the transition is just six minutes.
 
MasterGwydion said:
A Jump Cassette is an external storage device. Capacity is unlimited.
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MasterGwydion said:
Where does it say this? Size of the program is nothing. All that matters is how much Bandwidth it uses while running, for what type of Computers can run the program. You could store a TL-17 Conscious Intelligence program on a TL-7 Model/0, but you would not be able to run it. As far as I am aware, that is RAW.
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This is the entire point. The "size" (or "sophistication") of the program running in the CPU is the bandwidth it requires, NOT the storage capacity the program needs. Bandwidth was the reminder that Condotierre brought up.

We had been discussing external storage media (i.e. Cassettes/Cartridges vs. Tapes) for data input.

Nobody was talking about data storage capacity of Computers themselves (except in jest).
 
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Bandwidth implies throughput, over presumably six minutes.

You don't need to process the full programme, just the parts that are relevant at that moment.

Which also brings to question as to how targetting programmes can be broken up into six second fragments.
 
WHULorigan said:
This is the entire point. The "size" (or "sophistication") of the program running in the CPU is the bandwidth it requires, NOT the storage capacity the program needs. Bandwidth was the reminder that Condotierre brought up.

We had been discussing external storage media (i.e. Cassettes/Cartridges vs. Tapes) for data input.

Nobody was talking about data storage capacity of Computers themselves (except in jest).
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How big is an external storage device? You can have a TL-8 Microbot with a Primitive Brain. The whole bot is less than a gram. So, just the brain is smaller than that and has unlimited storage. My point is that this size still has unlimited storage, so an external storage device would be equally small and still have unlimited storage.

Please forgive any typing errors. I recently broke 2 metacarpals.
 
MasterGwydion said:
How big is an external storage device? You can have a TL-8 Microbot with a Primitive Brain. The whole bot is less than a gram. So, just the brain is smaller than that and has unlimited storage. My point is that this size still has unlimited storage, so an external storage device would be equally small and still have unlimited storage.

Please forgive any typing errors. I recently broke 2 metacarpals.
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Be careful.
In a world where storage is unlimited, the storage device is based on the needs of the sophont changing it out.
In a fixed microbot, you need a lab and small tools to replace/transplant it.
If you need it portable, then the form factor needs to fit fingers easily and/or not get lost. Pocket sized, keychain sized...
or briefcase sized and flashing neon colors in order to prevent theft, even though the usable component might well still fit the microbot.
 
Arkathan said:
Be careful.
In a world where storage is unlimited, the storage device is based on the needs of the sophont changing it out.
In a fixed microbot, you need a lab and small tools to replace/transplant it.
If you need it portable, then the form factor needs to fit fingers easily and/or not get lost. Pocket sized, keychain sized...
or briefcase sized and flashing neon colors in order to prevent theft, even though the usable component might well still fit the microbot.
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My phone has a removable storage chip smaller than My fingernail on My pinky finger.
 
Arkathan said:
Yeah, but they WANT you to take that to someone to switch them out. I give mine to my IT son to fiddle with. So, it's the microbot model.
Not the USB Stick model.
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Mine changes out using a paper clip. (I lost the little key that comes with it.) If they wanted you to require a tech, they wouldn't have given Me a key with the phone. Less than 10 seconds and I can swap memory storage chips. It only takes Me this long because I have bad hands and bad eyesight.

Either way, what you are discussing is if a Ref wants to make it easy or difficult. All, I am saying is that with today's technology, they can be, and often are, extremely small and extremely easy to swap out.
 
MasterGwydion said:
Mine changes out using a paper clip. (I lost the little key that comes with it.) If they wanted you to require a tech, they wouldn't have given Me a key with the phone. Less than 10 seconds and I can swap memory storage chips. It only takes Me this long because I have bad hands and bad eyesight.

Either way, what you are discussing is if a Ref wants to make it easy or difficult. All, I am saying is that with today's technology, they can be, and often are, extremely small and extremely easy to swap out.
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I have the key. I still give mine to my son.
Not really making it easy or difficult. A bot's brain needs a tech. As you said, you can do your phone quickly... I prefer to inconvenience my kid.
Portable memory is easy and portable. My characters routinely copy their data (and by their, they frequently mean data they are lifting from someone else's computer) onto their carried computers/pads/storage devices.

Anyway, hope you hand heals soon.
 
MasterGwydion said:
How big is an external storage device? You can have a TL-8 Microbot with a Primitive Brain. The whole bot is less than a gram. So, just the brain is smaller than that and has unlimited storage. My point is that this size still has unlimited storage, so an external storage device would be equally small and still have unlimited storage.
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Got it. I suppose you could also argue from the standpoint of a PortaComp or HandComp (arguably "cassette-sized") having the same unlimited storage, per the rules, without needing to discuss the Starship Miniframe or Mainframe at all.

And I suppose you could likewise argue that the "Cassette" has both data storage and its own active-processor integral to the device.

MasterGwydion said:
Please forgive any typing errors. I recently broke 2 metacarpals.
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Ouch! How did that happen?
 
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