Vargr: "their eyesight is worse in darkness?!?"

https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Jump_Tape

I checked LBB 2 and you're right it says cassettes, but the wiki says tape, so I guess it's a cassette which may or may not have tape in it. But, I still think it chonks in like a giant Atari cartridge.

Fanon and lack of research strikes again.
No tape was mentioned, just cassette.
The book says "self-erasing cassettes" but I have never seen a size indicated.
... they were for ships that didn't have the very expensive generate program. There were no rules for a navigator to plot a jump, you needed a computer running the correct program.
"Essentially, a cassette is a compact and enclosed holder for various types of media, providing a convenient way to insert, remove, and protect the contents"
"Historically, the term "cassette" referred to a small, enclosed container used for holding various types of media or items. Before the advent of magnetic tape cassettes, the word was used in contexts such as:
  • Camera Film Cassette: A container for photographic film used in cameras.
  • Medical Cassette: A small container for holding medical samples or specimens.
The concept of a cassette has always been about providing a compact, protective, and easily transportable case for different contents."
... but if you look for wider or historical then you find the word cassette was used long before magnetic tape was invented.

BTW, I have updated/moved the Wiki article title and made "Jump Tape" a redirect to "Jump Cassette".
https://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Jump_Cassette

At least it wasn't a reel to reel. Imagine the astrogator rolling a 2 on his navigation check and the ref says "The tape breaks!"

Well, when your ship has one of those old original-build Model/0bis Computers that the Broker got dirt cheap on a great deal at the last Port-of-Call . . .
Just make sure he gets the Punch-Card back-up system thrown in with it . . .
 
My statement is correct, you are just cherry picking a modern definition for cassette.

I think you may need to read exactly what I said - fanon introduced tape as a replacement for cassette due to the mistaken juxtaposition of tape and cassette. I have lost track of how many people on boards such as these and earlier used the term "jump tape".

And you need to look for non-cherry picked definitions:

"a usually flat case or cartridge that can be easily loaded or unloaded: such as a lightproof magazine for holding film or plates for use in a camera"

"Essentially, a cassette is a compact and enclosed holder for various types of media, providing a convenient way to insert, remove, and protect the contents"

"Historically, the term "cassette" referred to a small, enclosed container used for holding various types of media or items. Before the advent of magnetic tape cassettes, the word was used in contexts such as:
  • Camera Film Cassette: A container for photographic film used in cameras.
  • Medical Cassette: A small container for holding medical samples or specimens.
The concept of a cassette has always been about providing a compact, protective, and easily transportable case for different contents."

To a child of the late seventies, early eighties, cassette was, unfortunately, too closely identified with magnetic tape holders that this is what now appears in modern dictionaries, but if you look for wider or historical then you find the word cassette was used long before magnetic tape was invented.

Like I said, lack of research :)
You say lack of research but I have been to multiple sites looking up the definition of "cassette" including it's etymology. You say cherry pick, but nowhere can I find anything to remotely corroborates what you are saying historically, in any dictionary. Cassette as of 1960 was defined as a "magnetic tape cartridge" Since, I am pretty sure that that predates Traveller, I will have to say that no evidence supports your position.

Please cite your sources. I will cite Mine in a moment...


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I can keep going if you wish, but this seems pretty definitive.
 
I posted the quotes from a dictionary, look in a real dictionary, or ask and AI for the historical definition. I have noticed the online dictionaries appear to copy each other. So I already provided you definitions that do not include magnetic tape.

Like I said, lack of research :)

Here is another definition:

"a case or tray in a printer or copier that holds the paper."

Try searching for "server cassette", or "cassette munition", lots of examples.
 
The word cassette was used long before they invented magnetic tape.
I have a dictionat that predates the internet that has several
It is a very slow day so here you go:
" here are five definitions of the word "cassette":
  1. Magnetic Tape Cassette: A small, rectangular plastic case containing magnetic tape for recording and playing audio or video.
  2. Film Cassette: A container holding photographic film, usually in roll form, for use in a camera.
  3. Data Storage Cassette: A small cartridge used to store and retrieve digital data in computers and other devices.
  4. Bicycle Cassette: A set of sprockets (gears) attached to the rear hub of a bicycle, enabling gear changes.
  5. Medical Cassette: A container used in medical imaging to hold and protect X-ray films or other imaging media during exposure."
But wait, there is more:
"The word "cassette" comes from the French word "cassette," which is a diminutive form of "casse," meaning "case." It originally referred to a small box or container. Here are some historical uses of the word "cassette" before the invention of magnetic tape:

  1. Jewelry Boxes: In the 17th and 18th centuries, "cassette" was often used to describe small, decorative boxes used to store jewelry, trinkets, or other valuable items.
  2. Document Cases: "Cassette" was also used to refer to small, portable cases for holding important documents, letters, or papers.
  3. Coin Holders: The term was sometimes used for small boxes or containers designed to hold coins or other forms of currency.
  4. Religious Relics: In some historical contexts, "cassette" was used to describe containers or boxes that held religious relics or other sacred items.
These uses of the word "cassette" highlight its original meaning as a small, secure container for holding precious or important objects. It wasn't until the 20th century that the term became widely associated with magnetic tape storage for audio and video recordings."
 
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For the sake of game flow and people's tempers it's sometimes best to just wing it and accept the ref's table ruling on a given tech question.
IMTU it's retro-future: Based on what fifties to seventies era SF writers thought the future would be like. So it's what Piper, Norton, or Tubb thought up, and if those people didn't conceive of it, it doesn't happen in MTU.
So you can have Low-Light or IR goggles, but tying them all to a central processor and creating a unit wide virtual battlefield? You can do it today, but it wasn't thought of centuries from the 1950s, if that makes sense.
 
IMTU it's retro-future: Based on what fifties to seventies era SF writers thought the future would be like. So it's what Piper, Norton, or Tubb thought up, and if those people didn't conceive of it, it doesn't happen in MTU.
So you can have Low-Light or IR goggles, but tying them all to a central processor and creating a unit wide virtual battlefield? You can do it today, but it wasn't thought of centuries from the 1950s, if that makes sense.
Sure. But nobody likes getting into the interminable 'but at TL [x], it should do [y]' argument for 30 minutes at the table.
 
The word cassette was used long before they invented magnetic tape.
I have a dictionat that predates the internet that has several
It is a very slow day so here you go:
" here are five definitions of the word "cassette":
  1. Magnetic Tape Cassette: A small, rectangular plastic case containing magnetic tape for recording and playing audio or video.
  2. Film Cassette: A container holding photographic film, usually in roll form, for use in a camera.
  3. Data Storage Cassette: A small cartridge used to store and retrieve digital data in computers and other devices.
  4. Bicycle Cassette: A set of sprockets (gears) attached to the rear hub of a bicycle, enabling gear changes.
  5. Medical Cassette: A container used in medical imaging to hold and protect X-ray films or other imaging media during exposure."
But wait, there is more:
"The word "cassette" comes from the French word "cassette," which is a diminutive form of "casse," meaning "case." It originally referred to a small box or container. Here are some historical uses of the word "cassette" before the invention of magnetic tape:

  1. Jewelry Boxes: In the 17th and 18th centuries, "cassette" was often used to describe small, decorative boxes used to store jewelry, trinkets, or other valuable items.
  2. Document Cases: "Cassette" was also used to refer to small, portable cases for holding important documents, letters, or papers.
  3. Coin Holders: The term was sometimes used for small boxes or containers designed to hold coins or other forms of currency.
  4. Religious Relics: In some historical contexts, "cassette" was used to describe containers or boxes that held religious relics or other sacred items.
These uses of the word "cassette" highlight its original meaning as a small, secure container for holding precious or important objects. It wasn't until the 20th century that the term became widely associated with magnetic tape storage for audio and video recordings."
Just out of curiosity... When was Traveller first published? The 20th Century? When were jump cassettes mentioned? The 20th century? I used definitions that were in use at the time. You can take any word and go back far enough and discover that it had a different meaning. The meanings I am using are the ones from the 20th Century, when the game was written, not hundreds of years ago in France. The definitions I used cover numbers 1 through 3 in your first list.

Unless you think that a Jump Cassette somehow holds religious icons and that is what allows it to not need a Generate program? lolz

Personally, I think the whole word "cassette" needs to go away. Ask most 20-year-olds today what a cassette is, and they won't know. So, using the term "cassette" in Traveller means, that without a "modern cassette" for people to relate to, no one actually knows what Traveller even means by "cassette". Unless you consider a USB drive or whatever the TL-9 through TL-15 a "cassette" Just look at this discussion. Some people think it is like the old reel to reel tapes like they had in the 70s, others think cassettes are like the old Atari games, but those are cartridges, not cassettes, and others have different opinions. So, even among Us oldtimers, no one really knows what they are.

Does Traveller actually define what a "Jump Cassette" is? Physically, as far as size, weight, etc.
 
Back to the original post, I adore the Vargyr and prefer to play as one, but compared not only to Aslan, but humans in general, thy are sadly inferior. I get it, cats are all the rave. But I love my doggies. Balance the characteristics so it isn't a net loss, and scrap the vision penalty. Or, keep the stats but make Bite more vicious. Perhaps 1D+3 or something. It would still give them a strength penalty using a weapon, but if using their powerful jaws, it would give them a unique advantage is an unarmed brawl. Just some thoughts. I will still always choose my pup. :D
 
. . . using the term "cassette" in Traveller means, that without a "modern cassette" for people to relate to, no one actually knows what Traveller even means by "cassette". Unless you consider a USB drive or whatever the TL-9 through TL-15 a "cassette" Just look at this discussion. Some people think it is like the old reel to reel tapes like they had in the 70s, others think cassettes are like the old Atari games, but those are cartridges, not cassettes, and others have different opinions. So, even among Us oldtimers, no one really knows what they are.

Does Traveller actually define what a "Jump Cassette" is? Physically, as far as size, weight, etc.

I think that is the point he is making. "Cassette" need not mean anything that has to do with magnetic tape. Without the specific mention of "tape" in the original text, you can freely interpret just exactly what a "cassette" is supposed to mean based on the basic definitions of the word.

As you noted above, no one really knows what they are, and everyone has a different vision in their head. So just what is a "cassette" that is some form of encased future removable media that can store data?
 
Just out of curiosity... When was Traveller first published? The 20th Century? When were jump cassettes mentioned? The 20th century? I used definitions that were in use at the time. You can take any word and go back far enough and discover that it had a different meaning. The meanings I am using are the ones from the 20th Century, when the game was written, not hundreds of years ago in France. The definitions I used cover numbers 1 through 3 in your first list.
You accused me of being wrong. I am not wrong. The word cassette has different meanings but unfortunately became synonymous with tape.
Note that you should really say audio cassette, video cassette, cassette tape, but at some point tape replaced cassette.

I even stated that a 70s or 80s youth was going to see the word cassette and think cassette tape.

Claiming that only the current meaning of the word matters is moving the goal posts.
Unless you think that a Jump Cassette somehow holds religious icons and that is what allows it to not need a Generate program? lolz
Well that could explain why a sentient consciousness is now needed on board...
Personally, I think the whole word "cassette" needs to go away. Ask most 20-year-olds today what a cassette is, and they won't know. So, using the term "cassette" in Traveller means, that without a "modern cassette" for people to relate to, no one actually knows what Traveller even means by "cassette". Unless you consider a USB drive or whatever the TL-9 through TL-15 a "cassette" Just look at this discussion. Some people think it is like the old reel to reel tapes like they had in the 70s, others think cassettes are like the old Atari games, but those are cartridges, not cassettes, and others have different opinions. So, even among Us oldtimers, no one really knows what they are.
I agree.
Does Traveller actually define what a "Jump Cassette" is? Physically, as far as size, weight, etc.
I haven't found it yet but I have a vague memory of an adventure where the computer programs on a ship were listed and it may have included a throwaway line about the storage media.
 
Back to the original post, I adore the Vargyr and prefer to play as one, but compared not only to Aslan, but humans in general, thy are sadly inferior. I get it, cats are all the rave. But I love my doggies. Balance the characteristics so it isn't a net loss, and scrap the vision penalty. Or, keep the stats but make Bite more vicious. Perhaps 1D+3 or something. It would still give them a strength penalty using a weapon, but if using their powerful jaws, it would give them a unique advantage is an unarmed brawl. Just some thoughts. I will still always choose my pup. :D
The Vargr head is slightly larger than that of a wolf, its jaws and teeth should therefore be capable of doing a lot more damage...
 
It could be a cassette of punch cards that are fed through the computer interface one at a time after the cassette is loaded...

It could even be a cassette containing scroll of punched paper, like old timey self-playing pianos. The astrogator would set it going as soon as the ship lifted and hopefully it would finish before the ship reached the jump point.
 
It could even be a cassette containing scroll of punched paper, like old timey self-playing pianos. The astrogator would set it going as soon as the ship lifted and hopefully it would finish before the ship reached the jump point.

Hmmm... That is actually vaguely reminiscent of the final episodes of the New Battlestar Galactica . . .
 
I would like to see Mongoose actually define what the size and weight of a jump cassette is, although they actually no longer seem to be Canon in MgT2. I could be wrong though.
 
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