Update on Battlefield Evo - The Full Scoop

[willypold]

Gorkamorka (and everyone else who feels the same), please, cool down.

The hype destroyed the game?

Really, it hasn't even been distributed to the stores yet, and already you bemoan the death of it? Aren't you over-reacting just a little bit now?

I want to see this game. I want to try the rules. If the rules are good and the figures at least decent, I will support the game. If not, I just may spend that cash on something else. Either way, I'm not going to get upset about it, as if someone just hade broken up a deep relationship. It's just a product, a game, nothing else. Rants get boring after a while, and you're not improving the genre.

On the other hand, here's a FUTURE customer, who is at least going to give the game a try and will only judge it AFTER I've sampled the actual product.

 

[AlgernonSidney]

I had $120 set aside to buy this stuff with. After seeing the pics I was hugely disappointed. I went to my FLGS today and saw the new GW empire stuff. I bought the army book and the battalion boxed set. There goes my BFE money.

 

[DM]

Wow, look at the size of that tank!

Nice models - who does them Mr E?

 

[Poko]

I think the regular wargaming community is giving itself a little too much credit. Try this angle for a change - Battlefield Evolution is not a game for wargamers...

If the game plays as well as everyone says, and if the minis are as good as WotC Star Wars or even better, the game will probably be a smashing success, regardless of the opinion of every wargamer in the world.

You want to know why? Because the game will open up the worlds of contemporary wargaming for a substantial number of people who are presently NOT WARGAMERS.
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there is a small problem with this. unless the models go to big toystores/supermarkets(not very likely), they will be stuck with the rest of minis in model/gamin shops. just how are the unwashed masses supposed to find out about the briliant game? the target after all is not the wargamers who attend those stores, but "normal people".
second- both D&D and SWM are name-driven, being based on well known big names. BFE can't count on that.

The hype destroyed the game?

Really, it hasn't even been distributed to the stores yet, and already you bemoan the death of it? Aren't you over-reacting just a little bit now?

maybe not destroyed, but hurt vitally.it was, after all, supposed to be the second best thing after sliced cheese...
as for BFE having great rules-sure, no doubting that*they are after all a re-write of very good SST rules*, but it's the models that sell the game. even if everyone that right now is saying they wil not buy the minis bough the book, there's simply no chance the income will be the same if said player invested 200+$ in the models.

 

[Celisasu]

It strikes me that BFE is aimed at the hardcore wargamers. In specific those who either don't like painting or don't have time to paint. Lets face it, you're not going to see this in toy stores, book stores, or in a Gamestop like you might for Star Wars or D&D. It's going to be in a specialist hobby store which means that the wargamers are the target market.

Unfortunately the models look horrible. They'll be sitting on the shelves next to stuff from GW and is your average player going to pick up the pretty GW models or the ugly BFE ones? The price difference is minor enough to be effectively a non-issue. And a paint job that's a bad paint job on bad models isn't going to turn people around.

This problem is further amplified in my specific area by the fact that Mongoose has no presence. My hobby store definately won't be ordering BFE and probably doesn't even know it exists. The only Mongoose product I've ever seen at it was Conan: Hyborian Age. And when they see stuff like the BFE models, it certainly isn't going to change their minds about it.

And it's not just BFE. The ongoing fiasco with the ACTA miniatures is driving a lot of people crazy too.

 

[Hasslefriesian]

.....it was, after all, supposed to be the second best thing after sliced cheese....

Meh. Sliced cheese is vastly over-rated.

 

[Court Jester]

.....it was, after all, supposed to be the second best thing after sliced cheese....

Meh. Sliced cheese is vastly over-rated.

What is this "cheese" you talk of?

 

[deniper]

deniper

The figs are 28mm, what other companies have done is claim 28 but produced 30-34mm figs.

I checked and 1/64 is right on the money for 28mm, but its what used to be called True, in 25mm the same thing happened, you had 25s and True 25s.

As an example GW "28mm" fig with a 1/35th weapon, the weapon actually looks too small compared to the other GW weapons.

This creep has gone on for a while, my original Imperial guards look tiny compared to the new ones.

So they may be a bit out of scale to other figs, but they are what they claimed, and fit well with the big line of 1/64 die cast items.

Good gaming
Lee

Oh ya I am aware of scale creep, as well as codex creep, and the occasional creep acrosst the table from me. I suppose my point is not that they are not delivering the scale promised but that the scale promised is incompatable with pretty much everything else being produced for gameing currently. all that being said. I will stand by Mongoose based on the rules and accept the figs based on uniformity of asthetic and scaleing. (and the compleate unlikelyness of ever convencing anybody else to collect, build, and paint models of any other scale for use in this ruleset. if the figs stand up to the promise of not being bent to heck, and look ok. (or are fixable to the 2 foot rule.) then no further complaining and I will push this game in the 2 LGSs I attend (where everybody knows my name.)

 

[Mac V]

Sorry, I know this was answered elsewhere, but when will the boxes hit the shelves again?

 

[Hiromoon]

Next week, give or take when the distributors get them...or at least what I've heard.

 

[Mac V]

Thanks Hiro. Guess we'll just have to wait and see the figs up close and see what wave 2 looks like....

 

[Hiromoon]

Yeah and apparently my FLGS is getting a free demo pack, which has a squad of USMC Marines and PLA Infanty.

 

[DoomOnYou72]

Meybe I will think about buying this game........ when I get my dropships and Tac fighters.

 

[Mac V]

Keep us updated Hiro.

 

[nezeray]

Yeah and apparently my FLGS is getting a free demo pack, which has a squad of USMC Marines and PLA Infanty.

Note to self. call MY home store tomorrow

Nezeray

 

[Paladin]

Alliance retailers get a free demo set of 2 infantry if they order 2 of every item.

 

[Sgt. Brassones]

Yeah and apparently my FLGS is getting a free demo pack, which has a squad of USMC Marines and PLA Infanty.

My FLGS is getting a demo pack as well, which I'll be using to run demos. Today I broke the news about the quality issue and showed the new photos around. The reaction was same from everyone: "They look good enough to game with". So all the preorders are still in place.

 

[Hiromoon]

Everyone, I'll keep you all as up to date as I can! I advise all MI in the US to give their FLGS to look into the demo kits.

So far, some of the other reactions have been...

1/2 hated it, 1/2 liked it (spotted at TMP)

Neal at The Warstore tells me the distributor he's working with like the models....

And of course we have Sgt Brassones telling us that people at his store are ok.

That's a good sign, and we should all keep encouraging MGP to improve the quality of the models. I believe they can do it!

 

[BuShips]

Yeah and apparently my FLGS is getting a free demo pack, which has a squad of USMC Marines and PLA Infanty.

Yup, there is a package deal for stores for demo purposes with two random infantry squad boxes included. Those stores that do pick this up will certainly have something for their customers to inspect, touch and squint at. This will also serve to feed us more 'intel' for feedback of how the miniatures are being received. Regardless of how we each feel about the quality of the figures, the real acid test will be the actual sales figures. One thing that I will point out to the credit of Mongoose was to order up thinner bases than what looks normally like a 25mm slotta base. On some of the other forums months ago I saw much discussion about how the vehicles looked next to infantry. Matt assured those forum readers that there was a symmetry of scale and one possible reason for what folks were seeing was the elevation of the infantry on top of standard figure bases. I have noticed that the production figures are mounted on thinner bases so this does mean that the factory was willing to alter the production, doesn't it? :idea: Food for thought, anyway.

 

[Mr Evil]

i think the tank scale problem is due to gamers being to used to the over size of GW tanks !!! leman russ is like 18foot tall for gods sake !!!!!!! as tall as a double deker bus ? not the best for a tank in my opinion.

most gamers here are from a SCFI background, any body who plays FOW has an idea of how small tanks actualy are, some no bigger than a car ! while in scfi tanks are huge with impracticle bits sticking out in vulnerable positions and brissled with more guns than you can shake a stick at. modern tanks have a main gun, and thats it, having a million guns like scifi vehicles have is impracticle as it increases wieght, weak point in the armour and storage problems for the ammo, as realised with i think the T26 and some churchals and grants.

these are game peices plain and simple, and some are badly painted but thats ok, as we all have a sence of humour, you cant realy take pushing little men around a peice of wood covered in flock trying to hide behind pipe cleaner trees that serously ? can you ?

so their not the quality we exspected ! shock horror !!! mongoose let you down !!!! well not realy, your exspectations let you down, but in amtts position he didnt just say hey lets launch them any way, he whent out of his way to see distributers, and buyers, and looked at more than one box set, held them in his hands, maybe evan gave them a bite ! and then made his choice, Matt is very passionate about his hobby, there are times i disagree with his actions, but if i was in his position i think i would have done what he has, and probably come to the same choice.

so their not perfect ? well their no worse than some batches of forces of valour minis and their desighned for display !!!!!

my only complaint i have is the challenger tank, it doese not have smoke dispensers !!!!! probably one of the tanks most usefull peices of equipment.