Update on Battlefield Evo - The Full Scoop
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Actually it's a wee bit worse. Remember our little bit of outrage... well..
Let's say nuking someone would be kinder.
Infact, this seems to be an internet wide event, featuring some of our former forum members (Nanite and CmdrKiley)
http://www.frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9535&start=0
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=95613
Let's say nuking someone would be kinder.
Infact, this seems to be an internet wide event, featuring some of our former forum members (Nanite and CmdrKiley)
http://www.frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9535&start=0
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=95613
AlgernonSidney
Mongoose
The difference between the photos is most striking with the MEA faction. They looked pretty good before, now it is hard to like them.
The Chinese look like they might be salvagable with a wash on their faces.
But overall the price will have to come down significantly before I'm interested.
How are people's local stores reacting to this?
The Chinese look like they might be salvagable with a wash on their faces.
But overall the price will have to come down significantly before I'm interested.
How are people's local stores reacting to this?
I'm not so sure one will carry it in retrospect... they still have a TON of SST stuff on their shelves... though they tell me they have standing orders for any new product from MGP.
The other is alittle more pragmatic.. they're carrying it, but with supplies being so limited?
The other is alittle more pragmatic.. they're carrying it, but with supplies being so limited?
This just dawned on me.
So the wave 2 stuff is going to be of a higher quality than the wave 1 stuff. It's an easy assumtpion that this also means that later production runs of the wave 1 infantry will look better than the current batch. So... Speaking as a potential customer, why should I buy any figures from the current batch, if it's likely that later batches will look better? More importantly, will I have a choice or will I be playing roulette when I order online?
The thing is, for me personally, the miniatures as they look right now are overpriced. The prototypes, I admit, looked underpriced - a bargain, even. If the paintjob and casting quality improves to the point where the minis are priced reasonably, I might order a few boxes. But then I would be rather disappointed (to the point of sending it back for a refund) to find any of these first batch minis amongst them.
So, eh, bottom line - why would I order any of the first batch minis?
well anybody in the uk
Go to your local traveling man and buy somthing and get one of their discount books
then when the game is launched buy £100 of the mongoose bf minis, and with your book claim your £20 off, then you have saved yourself 20%
thats what im going to do any way.
gonna try smuggle 2 more AT-43 boxes in the house later if i feel brave enough
Go to your local traveling man and buy somthing and get one of their discount books
then when the game is launched buy £100 of the mongoose bf minis, and with your book claim your £20 off, then you have saved yourself 20%
thats what im going to do any way.
gonna try smuggle 2 more AT-43 boxes in the house later if i feel brave enough
AlgernonSidney
Mongoose
Helstrom,
I guess if you can get them cheap somehow, if someone is blowing them out, you might have to wait for a little while. Like with the SST stuff, people are selling the Cap troopers for something like a couple of dollars a box.
Your sentiments match mine exactly. The original pictured figures were excellent and a steal at the price, but the new ones aren't worth the price anymore.
I guess if you can get them cheap somehow, if someone is blowing them out, you might have to wait for a little while. Like with the SST stuff, people are selling the Cap troopers for something like a couple of dollars a box.
Your sentiments match mine exactly. The original pictured figures were excellent and a steal at the price, but the new ones aren't worth the price anymore.
Lorcan Nagle
Mongoose
Helstrom said:
The main reason would be as a sign of good faith to Mongoose, and to make sure they get a return on their investment so that can go on to produce later waves.
Whether you want to do this or not is really up to you.
AlgernonSidney said:
To be honest, that's what I was thinking too. The only way I'm buying these first batch figs is at a greatly reduced price - something like 50% off. And, unless BF:EVO fails horribly in stores and/or Mongoose goes belly-up, I don't see that happening any time soon. I don't want to see that happening either. I like Mongoose as a company and BF:EVO seems like a really great game to play - but at this point it isn't worth my money.
And there's still the question of what happens when the second production run comes in looking better than the first. Will I be able to specify "second batch" on my orders? If no, count me out. If yes, how are they ever going to get rid of the first batch?
The answers, I suppose, all depend on how many others feel the same way as me. Let's not forget that between the two dozen or so people on this forum, we represent a really really small fraction of the target group, and not a very balanced cross-section either. Maybe the first batch minis will fly off the shelves when the vast silent majority decides that they are worth their money. I haven't done any market research so how would I know
Then again, I personally think the only way to purge the first batch stuff and get improved second batch products on the shelves ASAP would be a whopping big discount. This achieves several things - you rid your stock of sub-par products, you get a lot of people interested in the game right off the bat (ie. people who, if they like it, will return and buy more of the full-priced products later on), you placate the grognards (who are instrumental in getting the hype fired up and keeping it going until you have a solid customer base), and you make sure your improved products are in stores as soon as possible.
The cost, of course, being that you will take a while longer to earn your startup expenses back. Mongoose has an advantage here in that - as far as I know - it has no shareholders or outside investors to answer to, so they can stretch things as far as their budget will allow. That, in turn, depends on how tight they've been cutting things up until now. Of course I don't expect anyone to actually go into this, it would be a little foolish for a company to divulge business info to such a depth
Just thought I'd throw it out there.This is a noble attitude and I will applaud anyone buying the product for this reason. However, again I remind you that we're just a handful of people on here. If you include others who know Mongoose as more than just a brand on a box, and thus could be motivated by loyalty, I still don't think they'd get nearly enough stock moved to clear out the first batch.
Mongoose is playing with the big boys now. That takes some adjusting.
And exactly why does mongoose deserve good faith?
Everything they've produced for SST and BF:EVO to date has been hyped-up to Everest, and every single product has been some combination of Behind Schedule, Shoddy Quality, Bad Sculpts, Mispacking or outright Vaporware. From the SST Starter box right up through the first wave of BF:EVO, something has gone wrong. Even the SST Exosuits, some of the finest models ever produced by the company, were chronically late and when finally released every box of Grizzlies in the first shipment was mispacked.
I understand the occasional problem with production being behind schedule, but with Mongoose problems seem to be the rule rather than the exception. And nothing is ever the company's fault. I seem to remember Chinese New Year once being cited as a reason for delays. :roll:
Somebody at Mongoose needs to stand up and take responsibility for what's gone wrong, explain exactly why it won't happen again, and deliver on at least a few quality releases without problems before they get any more money out of me.
Everything they've produced for SST and BF:EVO to date has been hyped-up to Everest, and every single product has been some combination of Behind Schedule, Shoddy Quality, Bad Sculpts, Mispacking or outright Vaporware. From the SST Starter box right up through the first wave of BF:EVO, something has gone wrong. Even the SST Exosuits, some of the finest models ever produced by the company, were chronically late and when finally released every box of Grizzlies in the first shipment was mispacked.
I understand the occasional problem with production being behind schedule, but with Mongoose problems seem to be the rule rather than the exception. And nothing is ever the company's fault. I seem to remember Chinese New Year once being cited as a reason for delays. :roll:
Somebody at Mongoose needs to stand up and take responsibility for what's gone wrong, explain exactly why it won't happen again, and deliver on at least a few quality releases without problems before they get any more money out of me.
Col_stone said:
We have always had a policy about being very open about what we do and where we are going. Yes, there are drawbacks, but what approach would you prefer?
