Update on Battlefield Evo - The Full Scoop

[Larac]

Matthew,

Any plans for an openday so we can all come and play BF:Evo and look at the minis in person,
this may put some of our conserns to rest :lol:

Only for the folks on that side of the pond though.

But a good idea, for you folks.

Some demo kits would have been nice rfor MI to show around, though after talking the local store into carrying these and the swtich now in painting and moulding, I hope they still ley me in the store.

Lee

 

[Low Roller 1-1]

Matthew,

I'm OK at present for Sat 27th and LBH has no life apart from Mongoose so he will be there, Evil has a coridor pass.

So this sounds like a good day :lol:

LBH we may need a breakfast club/Dead commies party - thread in a couple of days :wink:

 

[IraShaine1972]

Hello all! I'm new to this forum but certainly not new to miniature collecting and painting. Been doing it for upwards of 25 years now. Collected and painted THOUSANDS of miniatures for more game systems than I can possibly remember in just about every scale made. Even painted professionally for a time. Followed many companies through their ups and downs and some regretably to the grave. A semi-cult love of SST finally brought me to collect the miniatures from mongoose. I have also played most of the collectable pre-painted stuff that has hit the market in recent years and bought several lines in excess. Always found pre-painted miniatures of poor quality both in casting, sculpting and especially painting. Decided to collect the SST range out of nostalgia and really wanting a new hobby project. I will continue to collect the miniature kits for as long as possible but I have been lurking and following MGPs step into the pre-painted market with curiosity. I feel that Mongoose is a company with alot too offer but this all smacks of a big mistake. The BFE figs are.......amusing. At least as the pics thus far demonstrate. The pics of the protos were of a fairly impressive quality paint but the sculpts look like something I can get a bag of 50 of from the dollar store for....well a dollar. And the paint jobs are seriously bad and the bases........what? It looks like they are standing in macaroni and cheese. Seriously Heroscape has better looking minis. Well I find the SST unpainted kits at times a little.....fiddly I have dealt with far worse kits and as an expert modeler and converter I dont mind a little work. I think until now MGP has produced a superior line for miniature wargaming in SST. But this stuff just makes me chuckle everytime I look at it. It might be a great game. I really anjoyed the play of SW and DDM. Just the lack of enjoyment as a miniature wargame was gone in that the figs were poorly produced and thats the way this will go there is no way around it I think. Perhaps MGP will sell a truckload of this stuff. Heck they probably will. It just seems that a fairly young company has just gone from producing a really great product line to producing a poor yet mass marketable product on in the name of the almighty $$$$$$. I was keenly interested in these prepainted products to see what they would look like and its just a box of WAAAAY overpriced toys of as I said, dollar store quality. I could see these occupying a corner of the front counter of my LGS as opposed to a wall rack. MGP wont be seeing nearly as much of my cash as they could have had this not been the way to go. And what I will spend will be on the older much better products not this mess.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

It's fairly dirty pool to complain about Mongoose removing three or four threads that are just about the production problems as if it's censorship when there's still a thread going. It's just as likely to keep the info centralised rather than to censor thought or anything.

There has been way more than three or four threads removed.
Almost everything before midway through last year is missing from the SST forum for instance.

Forum posts take up a lot of space, it's obvious that the site admins use UBB's "prune topics" feature to get rid of old threads on a semi-regular basis to keep costs down.

And thats not the first time its happened either, I can think of another two or three of the top of my head where mongoose has felt it was preferable to have no discusion then what was being said about the models.

If they had banned all discussion of the models, you may have a point there.

 

[deniper]

I have been "ghosting" these forums for about an year now,
I play and enjoy SST, I also have smallish collections for B5,& MightyArmys In addtion to these fine games I have played/collected
many,many other Games, I also currenty play Airsoft tactical games and refereed for an local Texas WW2 Reinactment group's tactical games for 6+ years.

and so here are my thoughts:
BFE is an interesting topic for an game on many levels. the rules are good and represent the majority of "Real-life" tactics (I really wish support gunners could ready while their teammates suppressed or consolidated positions.) Meh... with the final rulebook and an little FAQing I think these rules could be "Bullet Proof"
As Far as the figures are concerned the stated scale concerns me. 1/64 is RATHER smaller than 28-30mm closer to the old 25mm of ralpartha fame.
Basicly most people seem to accept 1/48 as the correct vehicle scale for 28mm figs. Hence Tamiyas 1/48 armor line.
(I really wanted to play my Marines against Arachnids. but at the diffence in scales not happening.)
30$ US for 8-10 marginaly Table ready figs is perhaps OK (Things are tighter here than it may seem Cost of living wise) but when the scale is basicly unique unto it's self maybe not. Read an new set of urban terrain, limited cross compatablility which is possibly the reason for the wacky scale. (warning for those looking for early aircraft for this game 1/48 probebly will not do it, nor will 1/72 unless you want underscale.)
I have spent an lot of time chating up this game with my $)K addicted friends going on about how the models are painted to the level we see in corgi products and such, but now due to no fault of Mongooses this is not happening.
Resigns...*
what's an fella to do...
As soon as i figure it out I will pass it on.

 

[Larac]

deniper

The figs are 28mm, what other companies have done is claim 28 but produced 30-34mm figs.

I checked and 1/64 is right on the money for 28mm, but its what used to be called True, in 25mm the same thing happened, you had 25s and True 25s.

As an example GW "28mm" fig with a 1/35th weapon, the weapon actually looks too small compared to the other GW weapons.

This creep has gone on for a while, my original Imperial guards look tiny compared to the new ones.

So they may be a bit out of scale to other figs, but they are what they claimed, and fit well with the big line of 1/64 die cast items.

Good gaming
Lee

 

[Larac]

Pardon,

What wave is it suspected that the quality will improve to the original level?

I suspect Wave 2 is already started perhaps even wave 3, when will the level of painting change, is what I am trying to ask.

Lee

 

[ScipioAmericanus]

I hate to say I told you so...but...

I TOLD YOU SO.

 

[weasel_fierce]

My take on the whole thing:

The rules are rather solid. I usually dont have any interest in skirmish gaming, but I'll very likely get a copy of it. It has some glaring flaws, but its definately a good game.

The infantry ? Nyeh. Between pricing and being plastic, Im not finding a reason not to stick with 15mm metal for this one. The paint jobs was a shock, but honestly, I'd have repainted them anyways, so no loss.

The tanks, I find are rather nice, and I might well end up grabbing some of those for some project or other.

 

[Mac V]

Well, say what you will, but at least it's not collectable!

 

[weasel_fierce]

oh hells yeah. There is a special place in hell for people that make collectible miniatures.

 

[AlgernonSidney]

Forum posts take up a lot of space, it's obvious that the site admins use UBB's "prune topics" feature to get rid of old threads on a semi-regular basis to keep costs down.

Are you serious?

The threads taken down were two days old. It's not like it was some ancient topic that had the candy knocked out it after years of being bandied about. Those threads were taken down because they were critical of the product and showed direct comparrisons between the old and the new.

I'm all for companies having control of their websites and even deleting posts and threads and banning members, all of which Mongoose has done over this. This is their tool for advertising, they can do what they like.

But let's call a spade a spade and not pretend they are just "removing some old rubbish." They are censoring these boards. As they should be.

 

[Turtle]

Then again, if a topic has devolved into a lot of complaining, name calling, and lots of people ranting about toys. Then I'd say a company is within its rights to remove the topic.

There's plenty of other topics and posts that compare the two without devolving, and those are still up.

 

[asgelb]

Don't bother saying anything other than "we're behind Mongoose 100%" because they'll just delete your post. Can't have dissenting opinions...

Well, you are still here. . .

And besides, lets not forget who's website this is....its Mongoose's. So if they see that certain posts could be harmful for business or might turn off new-comers, then by all means they should remove the post! It would be stupid of them not to. This isn't a newspaper, this is a privately owned and ran forum set up by mongoose. If they want to delete posts talking negatively its their choice. A negative post is like someone out front someones store with a sign...they can protect themselves...they are, afterall, a business.

 

[AlgernonSidney]

Then I'd say a company is within its rights to remove the topic.

I agree, and I said that. But it is still censorship.

It may be in the best interest of the company to take these things down sometimes, but at other times it may be better to leave them up. For example, Mongoose is currently facing a credibility problem. Their rep here says that the models are not good enough to sell, then says they are selling them anyway as they are good enough.

So it seems like the wool is being pulled over our eyes with this. The comments were public on these forums and were repeated and are still being repeated elsewhere on the web. Is it to the companies best advantage to start shutting down threads, banning people and deleting posts? Or would it be better to be completely transparent about this and let the discussion go where it may and respond to it as necessary, even warning people publically when their comments step out of line, if it is due to rudeness and name calling?

I'm not saying which route is better to take. Obviously Mongoose feels the former is, and it may well be, but there are drawbacks and advantages to both roads.

 

[Lorcan Nagle]

Forum posts take up a lot of space, it's obvious that the site admins use UBB's "prune topics" feature to get rid of old threads on a semi-regular basis to keep costs down.

Are you serious?

The threads taken down were two days old. It's not like it was some ancient topic that had the candy knocked out it after years of being bandied about. Those threads were taken down because they were critical of the product and showed direct comparrisons between the old and the new.

That was in reply to Max's complaint that a chunk of the SST forum's old posts had gone missing.

I'm all for companies having control of their websites and even deleting posts and threads and banning members, all of which Mongoose has done over this. This is their tool for advertising, they can do what they like.

But let's call a spade a spade and not pretend they are just "removing some old rubbish." They are censoring these boards. As they should be.

I never said they were removing old rubbish with regards to the missing threads - I said they were likely trying to keep everything abut the quaslity issue in one place. Which is exactly what we do on the message board I help to run with controversial issues.

When they prevent any and all discussion of the quality issues, then you can complain, but otherwise it's just so much more hot air.

 

[Mr Evil]

Matthew,

I'm OK at present for Sat 27th and LBH has no life apart from Mongoose so he will be there, Evil has a coridor pass.

So this sounds like a good day :lol:

LBH we may need a breakfast club/Dead commies party - thread in a couple of days :wink:

HEY

you know il tke lots of pics of the good the bad and the ugly

also il get you forum guys an honest review, wont flame the product but il give you the low down and a little bit of opinion from my own view.

if i get a box set and they are bad il try do thread on simple idiots guid to fig improvments that any one can achieve.

 

[tneva82]

Well. Bit of dissapointment but still. Better respect for customers than GW has...

Just newest thing they did: Chaos for epic A. It was supposed to come out last summer. Didn't appear. Then they said on next product release window(february). WM araby is on schedelude there...But not epic chaos. And that was just one stinking plastic sprue. ONE sprue that needed to be released. Rest of the chaos models have been "lost" if you can believe that.

I take what Mongoose gives us anyday over crap GW throws to their veteran players. For them it's all about $$$ and old fans can go to hell. Mongoose atleast cares for their customers.

 

[tneva82]

Those threads were taken down because they were critical of the product and showed direct comparrisons between the old and the new.

So. Why is this thread still alive then? It contains all that you mentioned so if they cencor the boards this should be axed as well...

 

[Mr Evil]

also posts that go completely of topic and become flame wars are also viable for deletion.

so lets get back to topic or this thread will also be deleted, if you wish to complain and moanopen a new thread rather than hijack a thread that at one point had a reason and use for existance, if i was matt or one of the moderators id personaly delete this post and start a new one, with an update on the goings on.