Triggy's Armageddon Ship Analysis
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emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Target said:
That was my suggestion :wink: It's a shame as it was such a cool ship in B5Wars but in ACTA it's just another raid level ship competing with the Centurion/Prefect, Altarian/Elutarian/Magnus, Sulust & Demos
emperorpenguin
Mongoose
Target said:
he said Mimbari
Twin-Linked Aldades
Mongoose
To the plank with him arrrrr
OK folks, I think we have our opinions on the Tertius/G'Quan/Primus clear. Unless there's something new to add to this little debate I feel it would be good for us all to move on and look at some of the other points raised. One area in particular that of the ships I consider to be too weak such as the Hyperion and Omega Command variants, the Demos, and the others.
Also, as Ripple has pointed out to me, my analysis of the Targrath is on the tournament version which is different to the version in their fleet book so I'll look at it again. Also, I need to pick up a few Patrol ships that haven't been looked at yet (the Haven and Tethys ring bells here too).
I may post a look at the Prefect but only after a cooling off period and we can debate that then until the dogs come home
Also, as Ripple has pointed out to me, my analysis of the Targrath is on the tournament version which is different to the version in their fleet book so I'll look at it again. Also, I need to pick up a few Patrol ships that haven't been looked at yet (the Haven and Tethys ring bells here too).
I may post a look at the Prefect but only after a cooling off period and we can debate that then until the dogs come home
Ahh yes the 4 beams versus 6 on a tertius? Damn that initiative making you lose every other turn cause its boresighted.....
Now on to more pressing matters. The Demos (Tourney i think it has a interceptor then) is very nice, but mostly only when the enemy does not look at it. Firepower is very good, but you have to make it vanish to make it matter. Had it in a 5 battle lvl fleet along with 2 Vorchans. Vorchans were far more aggressive and took the damage, Demos kept back and was used more of a sabre dance style. Did vanquish a 3/4 hyperion in one go though.
I dont like any command variant. Especially those that compete with war lvl dreadnoughts that have command bonuses as well. Aka Omega command vs Warlock SFOS, and G'Quan command vs Bin'Tak. Command bonus is just a measly 1 on a vastly inferior ship, as it has weaker weapons and less staying power in both cases.
Triggy also i never take any of the G'Quan variants. Mag cruiser loses power on the Beam and all the e-mines and only gains a 2 AD TD Beam in return.
G'Quonth actually has less weapons, less fighters, no command bonus and less damage than a Bin'Tak. Both at the same lvl........
Now on to more pressing matters. The Demos (Tourney i think it has a interceptor then) is very nice, but mostly only when the enemy does not look at it. Firepower is very good, but you have to make it vanish to make it matter. Had it in a 5 battle lvl fleet along with 2 Vorchans. Vorchans were far more aggressive and took the damage, Demos kept back and was used more of a sabre dance style. Did vanquish a 3/4 hyperion in one go though.
I dont like any command variant. Especially those that compete with war lvl dreadnoughts that have command bonuses as well. Aka Omega command vs Warlock SFOS, and G'Quan command vs Bin'Tak. Command bonus is just a measly 1 on a vastly inferior ship, as it has weaker weapons and less staying power in both cases.
Triggy also i never take any of the G'Quan variants. Mag cruiser loses power on the Beam and all the e-mines and only gains a 2 AD TD Beam in return.
G'Quonth actually has less weapons, less fighters, no command bonus and less damage than a Bin'Tak. Both at the same lvl........
Lord David the Denied
Mongoose
The Demos would be more use if it got more hits and crew. As it is it's not much tougher than a Vorchan, and its firepower upgrades don't matter much when it's blown to pieces after a couple of shots.
As for this shameless personal attack I'll only say: grow up. Listen to what people are saying and try responding instead of wheeling out the flames and insults when not everyone agrees with you.
CZuschlag said:
As for this shameless personal attack I'll only say: grow up. Listen to what people are saying and try responding instead of wheeling out the flames and insults when not everyone agrees with you.
Uhh yes the Vree Zaak. But keep reading please. Does it compete with a pure dreadnought or warship.....uhm no. (Yes it is a very good command variant......
Something like that goes for the Octurion, no competition and good weaponry. But still not up to scratch versus 2 Tertius.
So back on topic, What about EA Command ships, Narn ones or well mostly those two.
Something like that goes for the Octurion, no competition and good weaponry. But still not up to scratch versus 2 Tertius.
So back on topic, What about EA Command ships, Narn ones or well mostly those two.
you could also say the octurion is not upto scratch with 2 primus if just using ti for its beams too. what the octurion does have over either 2 primus or 2 terius is all round matter canons, more secondaries and a rear facing beam so when the manourvering starts after the initial close it doesnt matter quite so much if you fail the come about, in fact if you can get in the middle of 2 tertius broadside to broadside the octurion seriously outguns both of them.
Ahh yes, you could say that one Octurion isnt as good as two Primus too. But it is supposed to be that way no? Bigger ships are always weaker then two ships one lvl down. Otherwise no point in taking a smaller ships. Plus you can play Primus a little bit more aggressively, less of the all eggs in one basket. You lose one, you still get the other. One bad crit the Octurion is out. (Dont you love -4 speed crit second turn?)
Yes if the enemy is nice enough to allow you two broadsides....i was able two vanquish 2 2/3 hyperions that way, even with theri full interceptors.
OTOH to get both boradsides you do need to get into range, after surviving the 12 AD CAF Beam, no?
But that aside i said the Octurion is one of the better Command ships, even though it is not a variant.
Why do you Centauri guys always get spiffed so easily? I was basically saying you guyes get one of the best command ships, and i get flak for that?
Next?
And back to stuff like EA Command Omegas and Hyps and the Narn Command G'Quan aka G'Tal.
Yes if the enemy is nice enough to allow you two broadsides....i was able two vanquish 2 2/3 hyperions that way, even with theri full interceptors.
OTOH to get both boradsides you do need to get into range, after surviving the 12 AD CAF Beam, no?
But that aside i said the Octurion is one of the better Command ships, even though it is not a variant.
Why do you Centauri guys always get spiffed so easily? I was basically saying you guyes get one of the best command ships, and i get flak for that?
Next?
And back to stuff like EA Command Omegas and Hyps and the Narn Command G'Quan aka G'Tal.
well the EA command omega is the only earth alternative to a poisedon carrier for a war level ship. personally i think the poisedon gets it cos of betetr command bonus, more fighters and the fleet carrier ability.
the G'tal is a waste of time when the Bin'tak severely outguns it, has more survivabililty and only 1 less command. why anyone would pick a G'tal over a Bin'tak is beyond me.
the G'tal is a waste of time when the Bin'tak severely outguns it, has more survivabililty and only 1 less command. why anyone would pick a G'tal over a Bin'tak is beyond me.
Ahh yes Crusade era sucks.
Dunno why but the EA war level does look very bleak now......Poseidon is evil with +3 Command bonus and fleet carrier.
Yes the G'Tal is beyond me, though please check out the G'Quonth. That on is a total joke. IF it would be Battle like Primus versus Terius it would be good. Like that uhh no.
Dunno why but the EA war level does look very bleak now......Poseidon is evil with +3 Command bonus and fleet carrier.
Yes the G'Tal is beyond me, though please check out the G'Quonth. That on is a total joke. IF it would be Battle like Primus versus Terius it would be good. Like that uhh no.
