Travellers Needed! Central Supply Catalogue Updates

[paltrysum]

Hello, Travellers. We'll be doing an update to the Central Supply Catalogue some time next year. Please let us know which things you've found that warrant a fix.

 

[Hardwire]

I would like to see a better delineation between a Ship computer, Starbase Computer and a personal computer.

 

[hopsnbaer]

Yes, Computer rules could use some love for sure.

 

[Hardwire]

I would also like to see some attention to how Psionics and Technology interact.

Some additional Psionic Technology, in the form of implants and/or gear.
The drawbacks of mixing Psionics and Technology, start messing with the Psion's mind and nothing good will happen.

 

[Hardwire]

Adding on to that, These different systems for spaces and such make it difficult to design cohesive Equipment/Robots/Vehicles/Ships. Lets work on something that would tie all these together, even if it is a conversion table to let us know relative size and space.

 

[Arkathan]

Adding on to that, These different systems for spaces and such make it difficult to design cohesive Equipment/Robots/Vehicles/Ships. Lets work on something that would tie all these together, even if it is a conversion table to let us know relative size and space.

Currently 1 Dton = 4 spaces = 1000kg
.......................Ship.......... Vehicle........ CSC

 

[Condottiere]

 

[Terry Mixon]

I posted this earlier and thought I’d made a mistake and so deleted it. Turns out I was right, so apologies for the repeat.

The CSC has the prices for fabricators per chamber litre but the Robot Handbook has the same prices per slot. As a chamber litre is 1.5 slots, that’s problematic and something needs to change.

 

[Limpin Legin]

Perhaps clarify:
- Whether the "Intelligence Interface" built into a Wafer Jack is the same thing as the generally available Intelligent Interface on pg 69.
- Explain if and why a skilled user of an Expert package receives a lower DM than an unskilled user.
- Explain if and what "bandwidth" does for skilled/unskilled users of Agent software packages. And clarify what does "autonomously" mean in the context of the Agent s/w.
- possibly link bombardment and forward observers in CSC with the rules on bombardment weapons found in High Guard?
- check cryoberth vs low berth attributes: are they meant to be same cost? Are cryoberths portable when in use? Can cryoberths be used as a replacement low berth for interstellar flights? (There was something else about cryoberth vs low berth that I cannot remember.)

 

[Limpin Legin]

Also, for game purposes, review if Expert packages are considered "old tech" now that LLMs and Generative AI is all around us. Because Traveller AI/Expert systems confuses younger generation who may have only been exposed to Machine Learning/AI.
And similarly review the networked distributed computing effect on CT's 1970's monolithic-style Library Data.

 

[Sigtrygg]

Currently 1 Dton = 4 spaces = 1000kg
.......................Ship.......... Vehicle........ CSC

Now add Robot slots to the mix and you break it.

The other issue is you are mixing volume and mass

the dton is a volume - known to be 14m³

is a space 1/4 of that volume?

what is the volume of a slot...

 

[Limpin Legin]

(There was something else about cryoberth vs low berth that I cannot remember.)

That was it:
Cryoberth vs Fast Drug: does it take any Medic skill to administer these, or what happens if anyone try to do it?

 

[Arkathan]

Now add Robot slots to the mix and you break it.

The other issue is you are mixing volume and mass

the dton is a volume - known to be 14m³

is a space 1/4 of that volume?

what is the volume of a slot...

250kg of equipment in CSC is one space regardless of physical volume for mounting on vehicles or small weapons mounts on ships, so while it takes wrapping your head around, it works. Geir would have to weigh in on robot conversions

 

[Hardwire]

Now add Robot slots to the mix and you break it.

The other issue is you are mixing volume and mass

the dton is a volume - known to be 14m³

is a space 1/4 of that volume?

what is the volume of a slot...

I was under the impression that 1 dTon was 13.5m³. The volume of 1.5x3x3 is 13.5 as demonstrated on this Volume Calculator.

I know that it lists it as 14m³ on page 14 of the Robots Handbook but that is not correct.

Volume Calculator

This free volume calculator computes the volumes of common shapes, including sphere, cone, cube, cylinder, capsule, cap, conical frustum, ellipsoid, and more.

www.calculator.net

 

[Condottiere]

Convenience puts it at fourteen cubic metres.

I would guess we'd need a ruling from:

The International Bureau of Weights and Measures (French: Bureau international des poids et mesures, BIPM) is an intergovernmental organisation, through which its 64 member-states act on measurement standards in areas including chemistry, ionising radiation, physical metrology, as well as the International System of Units (SI) and Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).[1][2] It is headquartered in the Pavillon de Breteuil in Saint-Cloud, near Paris, France. The organisation has been referred to as IBWM (from its name in English) in older literature.[note 1]

 

[Condottiere]

A tonne of hydrogen gas, at standard temperature and pressure (STP), occupies a volume of approximately 11,935 cubic meters. If stored as liquid hydrogen, a tonne would occupy only about 14.1 cubic meters due to its much higher density.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Gaseous Hydrogen at STP:
One tonne (1,000 kg) of hydrogen gas at standard temperature and pressure (STP) occupies a volume of roughly 11,935 cubic meters (or 421,480 cubic feet).
Liquid Hydrogen:
When hydrogen is liquefied, its volume significantly decreases. One tonne of liquid hydrogen occupies approximately 14.1 cubic meters (or 3,731 gallons).
Density:
The density of liquid hydrogen is about 70.8 kg/m³ at its normal boiling point.
Expansion Ratio:
The expansion ratio from liquid to gaseous hydrogen is quite large. One liter of liquid hydrogen can produce almost one cubic meter of gaseous hydrogen at ambient conditions.
Therefore, the volume occupied by a tonne of hydrogen depends heavily on whether it's stored as a gas or a liquid.
Hydrogen Weight and Volume Equivalents - Air Products
Hydrogen Weight and Volume Equivalents. Weight of Liquid or Gas. Volume of Liquid at Normal Boiling Point. Volume of Gas at 70°F (
Air Products
Hydrogen From A to Z: T for 1TPD - GenH2
20.10.2022 — One tonne of hydrogen, or 1,000 kg of hydrogen, is equivalent to 14.1 m3 (3,731 gallons) of liquid hydrogen at the Norma...

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[Sigtrygg]

I was under the impression that 1 dTon was 13.5m³. The volume of 1.5x3x3 is 13.5 as demonstrated on this Volume Calculator.

I know that it lists it as 14m³ on page 14 of the Robots Handbook but that is not correct.

Volume Calculator

This free volume calculator computes the volumes of common shapes, including sphere, cone, cube, cylinder, capsule, cap, conical frustum, ellipsoid, and more.

www.calculator.net

The displacement ton is 14³, the volume of 1000kg of liquid hydrogen. It is defined in the MgT crb and High Guard as such. It was 14³ in CT, TNE, T4 and now MgT.

The 13.5³ deckplan displacement unit was a MT invention, is used in T5 and for some reason the authors of the MgT SOM used it despite the MgT displacement ton being 14³.

 

[Hardwire]

Convenience puts it at fourteen cubic metres.

I would guess we'd need a ruling from:

The International Bureau of Weights and Measures (French: Bureau international des poids et mesures, BIPM) is an intergovernmental organisation, through which its 64 member-states act on measurement standards in areas including chemistry, ionising radiation, physical metrology, as well as the International System of Units (SI) and Coordinated Universal Time (UTC).[1][2] It is headquartered in the Pavillon de Breteuil in Saint-Cloud, near Paris, France. The organisation has been referred to as IBWM (from its name in English) in older literature.[note 1]

Lazy math puts it at 14

 

[Hardwire]

The displacement ton is 14 cubic metres, it is defined in the MgT crb and High Guard as such. It was 14 in CT, TNE, T4 and now MgT.

The 13.5 deckplan displacement unit was a MT invention, is used in T5 and for some reason the authors of the MgT SOM used it despite the MgT deisplacement ton being 14

The HG states that a dTon is 1.5mx3mx3m. Math puts that at 13.5. We are still going with game terms here and not RL. Nothing will change that fact that 1.5x3x3 =13.5

 

[Sigtrygg]

High Guard page 5

"GENERAL
Ships are measured in ‘displacement tons’ or d-tons: a 100-ton ship displaces a volume equal to one 100 tons of liquid hydrogen (one d-ton equals roughly 14 cubic metres)."

You are referring the deckplan mapping definition which introduces a bit of wiggle room.

For the 100t scout above you would map 200 squares, 2 squares per "ton", 1 square being 1.5 x1.5 x3 = 6.75

Volume wise that is 1350 out of the 1400, so you still have 50/6.75 ~ 7 squares extra to play with.