Traveller's Aid #9: Fighting Ships of the Solomani is IN !

[captainjack23]

But perhaps we should just put it to bed ?

You have no stake in the matter. Other people do. It's up to them whether it should be put to bed, not you.

Which is why I asked. Why the big attitude ? last I looked, I didn't have dictatorial Mod power.

No, I don't have a horse in this race -or dog in the fight. I liked the product. I dislike the situation. I can't help MJD and I wish I could; his issues are real. You at least got your money back.

If you were still on COTI you'd see that it seems to have lots of 3rd party ads - if not from Avenger, and links to websites, so how they got there seems irrelevant. Perhaps "who is friends/enemies with who" is an issue, perhaps not. Perhaps ads here are subject to some kind of approval also. Don't know, isn't relevant to the point.

As to the reasons for your ban ? Well....the posts are there as Malenfant, not here. And you refuse to let anyone repost them. So, I guess its a look-and-see at COTI situation if anyone is interested. Wear asbestos underware is all I'm saying.

So, Good night and etc., Doc. I have a lot of hanging out by a pool and drinking beer to get done this weekend. Enjoy yourself & relax. Maybe game ?

 

[TravellerArt]

Also, given this is a TA, why aren't QLI sending it out for free to the people who have already paid for a subscription for them? There's plenty of folks out there who are still owed the remainder of their subscription, and that was YEARS ago.

Well said, given that I am one of those that is owed four issues of TA by QLI and has been for years, I asked the same question on CotI.
Funnily enough no answer.
That truly stinks and is probably illegal too.

 

[steffworthington]

Completely with MJD on this one.

I was asked by Hunter and the art director to supply a lot of artwork in the shape of logos for the corporations and foundations in 2320AD. I submitted 20 pieces all told and never heard another word. I tried for almost 2 years to get an answer from Hunter Gordon and got nowhere. Im actually amazed that others got a response. The longest I've had to wait for payment other than QLI was 12 days and I was happy to because they communicated with me.
Like I said, I was discrete but he just took the piss. It wasnt the money, it was the principle of getting me to do artwork, putting off other projects (with the clients consent), and my reputation. I asked Hunter if it was ok to mention it as a current project for my bio for 'New Gods of Mankind' and he said yes. Now that 2320AD never happened (in final, art inclusive, print version) It looked like I'd misled clients.
Years later I was still waiting to be paid... so I withdrew my permission and posted them on the 2300AD facebook page for free so fans could still use them if they felt so inclined.
There have been one or two difficult clients in my career (only 1 or 2 so im lucky) but i dont often mention them as im the forgiving type or they have extenuating circumstances. Im hapy to make an exception for QLI and as it's my business I don't care what people think of me doing it. Although these days I dont rant like i used to and just mention the brilliant clients Ive had/have currently (draws deep breath):

Chaosium Inc
Adamant entertainment
Drama Shark Games
RVDIS games
Dark Skull Studios
F Douglas Wall
Bret Kramer
Greg Stafford
Mike Lafferty

(phew) ok... rant over. Just touched an old nerve and at the end of the day i drew 20 logos... it took about 3-4 days on and off... lord knows how the guys who wrote volumes must feel.

 

[Dave Chase]

Now that QLI has a product out for sale, those that are owed something (for it or other work) should send a certifide letter to QLI requesting their money for said work.

I would also include Marc Miller with that information, since he is the one that determines who can license what. Maybe he will finally realize the problem that QLI and it's owner has been causing him and Traveller.

But, YEAH, Mongoose is alive and well, and doing great.

More Traveller stuff from Mongoose, and keep adding things from T5 into. Please. That way we can get T5 in one form or another.

Dave Chase

 

[andrew boulton]

Either it's dead or a threat, it can't be both.

It's dead. It's not and never has been a threat.

Then stop flogging the corpse.

 

[andrew boulton]

So here we are, Andrew. I'm asking for your help.

All I want is for Hunter Gordon to pay me what he owes, and to offer some kind of explanation why he's not done so to date. I cannot contact Hunter (or more accurately, he doesn't respond when I try) but you can. You don't have to take sides, you don't even have to believe anything I say, but I'm asking you to pass along this message:

"Martin is owed money by QLI and he's unable to get in touch any other way. He would like to settle the matter, and will then agree not to make any further public mention of it. Please get in touch as a matter of urgency."

That's all. I'm asking you to pass that along. You don't have to endorse it, or even believe it, but I'm asking you to get this through to Hunter.

I have (unsuccesfully) asked him to deal with this in the past, but I'll pass the message on.

 

[MJD]

Thanks for that.

I honestly don't expect a result at this point - it didn't work when Marc Miller was trying on my behalf - but I do apprciate the effort.

 

[EDG]

Then stop flogging the corpse.

You don't get to tell me to stop "flogging" anything, Andrew - I've got my own issues with Hunter that are none of your business, particularly given that you're just another one of his pet apologists.

Furthermore, given the way he runs his business, and the way he is treating and has treated his customers in the past, there are many reasons to discourage people from buying any of QLI's products or supporting him.

Like I said, there's a guy (Evil Steve) complaining on the CotI website issues board about how he's been waiting for over a month for access to QLI products that he's paid for - funnily enough, his patience is running out. This isn't rocket science - Hunter needs to get off his arse and give the guy the product he paid him money for. All this poor sap's got so far is excuses, and naturally he's losing his goodwill towards Hunter and WLI. And yet this sort of thing keeps happening there. Is that a way to run a business? Is that any way to encourage people to spend their money there? If Hunter can't handle it, then why does he keep his proverbial doors open and continue to take peoples' money?

If he or any of his cronies wants this sort of reaction (not just from me) to stop, then it's really simple. Hunter has to live up to his responsibilities as a business owner and pay off everyone who is owed money or product, and has to keep doing that in order to generate goodwill again (because god knows he's lost it from absolutely everybody outside of CotI, through his own actions). If he can't do that, then he needs to face facts and admit his business is dead and close it down - because if he can't pay or support his authors (you're one of the lucky ones who got paid, but I'm guessing you weren't paid a lot), then nobody's going to work for him again. He lost Martin because of that, and he lost Colin because of his abandonment of 2320AD. You'll also notice that all the people who are actually looking to Traveller's future (the ones who don't have their heads stuck up their arses telling people what Traveller is or isn't, or who are all hot air and no product) aren't involved with QLI anymore.

Paying you for your work on the TA is a start, but if he's got money to pay you then he's has no excuse to not pay Martin, and certainly no excuse to shut him out the way he's done. Either way, He's got a hell of a long way to go to before he gets even a neutral reputation with everyone.

 

[steffworthington]

End of the day Andrew, the gripes against Hunter are genuine but i suppose people will decide to buy QLI products or not based on what they think of the product, not the company.

This thread has struck a nerve with a lot of folks.
Lets move on I say.
The authors and contributors to this product have probably done so in good faith and may have been treated poorly by Hunter himself and I'm sure they wouldnt want their work to be forever linked to the problems at QLI.

Shall we get back to discussing the product anyway or kill this thread off?

 

[andrew boulton]

Thanks for that.

I honestly don't expect a result at this point - it didn't work when Marc Miller was trying on my behalf - but I do apprciate the effort.

I hate this situation too. Traveller books cause enough flamewars on their own, we don't need personal disputes fuelling them. Especially when I get hit in the crossfire...

BTW, talking of the Kormoran/Sydney:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/12/wwii.battle/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

 

[EDG]

Especially when I get hit in the crossfire...

It's really simple: if you don't want to get "hit in the crossfire" then stop getting in the way. And frankly, you're the one who made the decision to throw in your hat on his side of the ring.

 

[Vile]

I suppose people will decide to buy QLI products or not based on what they think of the product, not the company.

Judging from posts which used to appear from time to time by people who bought directly from the QLI site but couldn't access their purchases (still going on, I believe), I think many people buy the products based on not knowing the company. :twisted:

At least this only seems to be available from other outlets for now, so people will at least get what they paid for (except for Traveller's Aide subscribers).

So - has anyone bought it, and would they care to post a review? Although it's for T20 and thus not compatible with MGT, but I'm sure the pictures must be pretty.

 

[steffworthington]

Judging from posts which used to appear from time to time by people who bought directly from the QLI site but couldn't access their purchases (still going on, I believe), I think many people buy the products based on not knowing the company.

Actually you're quite correct Vile. I was thinking of my own personal preferences when I said that. I never buy PDF's. I'm an old school gamer who needs it on paper to read. and on my shelf. Got no patience for e-books.

 

[MJD]

Yup, that's the Kormoran I was thinking of. I've always had an interest in commerce raiders.

 

[EDG]

I think many people buy the products based on not knowing the company. :twisted:

Bingo. People need to be warned about companies who don't fulfil their responsibilities to customers, and QLI is no exception to that. Sadly, some people are still going to manage to avoid the warnings.

 

[Vile]

People need to be warned about companies who don't fulfil their responsibilities to customers, and QLI is no exception to that.

Of course, if you post those warnings in the wrong place, you might get a warning ... :wink:

 

[steffworthington]

hahaha..

(ahem)

as you were.

 

[andrew boulton]

Especially when I get hit in the crossfire...

It's really simple: if you don't want to get "hit in the crossfire" then stop getting in the way. And frankly, you're the one who made the decision to throw in your hat on his side of the ring.

It was the only way the book was going to get published (and you were one of the people moaning about the delays).

 

[steffworthington]

can we stop this now? getting boring.

 

[andrew boulton]

Excellent idea.