The Singularity Kickstarter is Live!
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So your claiming every box set mongoose does has a base cost of several 100000$ funny the kick starter this thread is about has a minimum needed cash influx of less than 27000$ and it’s bigger than PoD was. The story is there the resources to do the story’s are not. The stawman here is you since you decided to multiply the costs for such a supplement by a factor of 10. And the health of the company on something they would probably KS
yea your argument failsAnd it completely voids the whole concept
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
If you can present a business case as to how much more money Mongoose can make by breaking the current setting, I'm sure the chances of it happening will increase.
Moneygoose.
Moneygoose.
The thing is, I was involved in Traveler gaming when the rebellion and Virus hit very hard. Megatraveller and the rebellion era could, if you wanted to, be taken for campaigns that didn't want to interact withit, either by sticking to places where the rebellion wasn't, or simply picking and choosing among supplements for their game where Dulinor tripped on a banana and died.
Virus was super divisive, becuse you couldn't do that. Virtually every GDW product coming out after virus started was completely different in tone and attitude from what had come befoer and when you consider this was a break from a setting born in 1979...
Which is, of course the advantage of things like Singularity or War of the ancients. If you release a kickstarter: "Virus." say with book 1, rebellion, book 2, collapse, book 3, star viking... You give enough for people who want to play that, but you're not dividing the fanbase the way the old system of having one, onegoing metaplot did. Don't like it? Don't buy it, and wait for the next kickstarter from Mongoose, Rise of the Corgi Imperium, a product dreamed up after someone unplugged the refrigerator over the weekend and nobody noticed before the writing staff ate some egg salad.
And this honestly wasn't just GDW. White Wolf, TSR, just about everyone in the 1990s/early oughts had cases where they created plots that carried the players along whether or not they wanted them, often leading to very unhappy playerbases, and is, IMO the reason so many settings tehse day have everything stopping at time X with suggestions, but not cast in stone rules of where events are progressing.
Virus was super divisive, becuse you couldn't do that. Virtually every GDW product coming out after virus started was completely different in tone and attitude from what had come befoer and when you consider this was a break from a setting born in 1979...
Which is, of course the advantage of things like Singularity or War of the ancients. If you release a kickstarter: "Virus." say with book 1, rebellion, book 2, collapse, book 3, star viking... You give enough for people who want to play that, but you're not dividing the fanbase the way the old system of having one, onegoing metaplot did. Don't like it? Don't buy it, and wait for the next kickstarter from Mongoose, Rise of the Corgi Imperium, a product dreamed up after someone unplugged the refrigerator over the weekend and nobody noticed before the writing staff ate some egg salad.
And this honestly wasn't just GDW. White Wolf, TSR, just about everyone in the 1990s/early oughts had cases where they created plots that carried the players along whether or not they wanted them, often leading to very unhappy playerbases, and is, IMO the reason so many settings tehse day have everything stopping at time X with suggestions, but not cast in stone rules of where events are progressing.
I'd buy it.
boggo2300
Cosmic Mongoose
JAVPE (Just another Vargr Pocket Empire) (I figure those are so common they should have their own Acronym)
Sigtrygg
Emperor Mongoose
You don't need to break the setting. You provide the alternative future books for those that want them. They already have chosen to break the setting...
supermen at the end of the Ancients campaign break the setting
the FFW breaks the setting - I was totally turned off the Third Imperium as a setting by the way GDW did the FFW, MgT are going the same way
if the players choose to aid the AI in Singularity what will be left of the setting?
Yeah, and keep in mind the neat thing about the campaign settings is that they also include all kinds of stuff that you can use even if you don't want to go with the way the campaign is set, so they are still worth purchasing just for the background material.
Though to be fair, I think (and others believe) that another problem with the virus era was that it wsn't just a complete tonal shift--it came with a complete rules change that was... well to say it had a mixed reception was putting it mildly.
that's not something we'd have to worry about here.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
I have trouble enough keeping track of technology with the current set of add ons.
Not if they bugger off to the Rim...
None of these break (change) the universe unless the Referee decides to actually run the campaign at their table - and the results govern their table alone.
Anstett
Emperor Mongoose
Back to the intent of the thread.
I am someone who has not backed yet (I will likely do so before the end) however I will also only be backing at the level that gets me digital goods.
I do not want more dead trees. They are fine for those who like them. I do not need them.
I would be happy to back at the highest level if it meant I get everything digital and nothing physical.
I am someone who has not backed yet (I will likely do so before the end) however I will also only be backing at the level that gets me digital goods.
I do not want more dead trees. They are fine for those who like them. I do not need them.
I would be happy to back at the highest level if it meant I get everything digital and nothing physical.
I totally agree though I think to do justice to the settings it would be two different sets, Collapse (Rebellion, Hardtimes, An Adventure) and Rebirth (Virus, Coalition, an adventure) each kick started so the costs are covered.
Same could be said for what we propose for the Rebellion and TNE
Absolutely, no argument there.
Your grasp of business vies with your spelling, your charm and your gift for rhetoric for a deserved participation medal.So your claiming every box set mongoose does has a base cost of several 100000$ funny the kick starter this thread is about has a minimum needed cash influx of less than 27000$ and it’s bigger than PoD was. The story is there the resources to do the story’s are not. The stawman here is you since you decided to multiply the costs for such a supplement by a factor of 10. And the health of the company on something they would probably KS
Boxed sets like Drinax and Singularity are the best comparison for a major product like a Rebellion reboot for scope and the resulting costs in writing, art, editing and more. Matt himself alludes to the investment needed.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
I would say the difference between a campaign, and a setting change, is that you can't keep the latter contained.
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Sort of odd if they didn't.
Tends to be a publishing decision, which requires editorial oversight.
Tends to be a publishing decision, which requires editorial oversight.
You are very funny never once does he suggest a number that’s all on you. You apparently don’t understand what Kick Starter is for, KS is designed to raise the funds to do a project, in gaming that cost is mostly the print run cost which has to be paid upfront, writers make very little in fact I happen to know for a fact that mongoose was paying their freelance writers .15 per word in 2017 it might be as high as .25 per word now. I used to talk fairly regularly with one of their freelancers Gaming manuscripts are dirt cheap, arts more expensive but at the end of the day over 75% of the cost for a gaming book is printing. I’ve backed more than a few KS plus I know quite a few people in the industry no gaming book or combination of gaming book cost over hundred thousand dollars in fact I doubt that you could find a gaming supplement that cost (manuscript, art, 1st print run) over fifty thousand dollars most run between seven thousand and thirty thousand and that’s for top quality. Singularity is actually a larger and more costly project than PoD (and an Rebellion campaign or an TNE Campaign) and they KSed it at less than 27 thousand and that is about the right complete cost for this project. In fact I bet they’ve had to double the size of the print run twice because of the response. So according to your numbers Singularly is costing Mongoose a additional 73000+ to produce
. I doubt mongoose has that much in liquid funds in fact I’d bet that one of the reasons they KS Singularly was because they either lack the liquid funds or have those funds already earmarked for other products. Gaming companies run on a shoestring budget that’s why most people working for gaming companies have a day job it’s also why most gaming companies today either do print on demand or crowdfunding to produce their games. Mongoose is probably in the top tier but that just means some of its people don’t have day jobs. Did you know that Wizards more often than not shows a loss on the D&D gaming line?
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