The Best and Worst Armageddon Level Ships

[Triggy]

Same goes for Armageddon PL although there aren't so many of them.

(32.000 points = approximately average Armageddon PL ship compared to 4.000 points for a Raid PL ship)

Shadow Omega (EA) 18.5800
Nemesis (EA) 20.0406
Neroon (Minbari) 20.1556
Warlock (EA) 21.4967
Shadow Ship (Shadows) 23.3914
Brivoki (Abbai) 25.6675
Brivoki (Brakiri) 25.8484
Ka’Bin’Tak (Narn) 26.6724
Vorlon Heavy Cruiser (Vorlons) 30.3651
Victory (ISA) 31.4568
Adira (Centauri) 38.5808

 

[thehod]

yea the Victory and Adira rock solid. The Victory comes to mind the best well defended ship thanks to interceptors and adaptive armor.

 

[Celisasu]

So basically only the Adira and Victory are actually worth taking and possibly the Vorlon Heavy Cruiser. Other than those you should really look at your lower priority ships. This is pretty much what everyone already believed so no surprises.

 

[katadder]

the adira better than the victory? how u work that one? in one v one fight the victory is a much better ship as can fire most guns in all arcs, has AA and even a rear beam, plus the range advantage.
the VHC is better than both though due to AA and the ability to hand out crits without taking any.

 

[Triggy]

the adira better than the victory? how u work that one? in one v one fight the victory is a much better ship as can fire most guns in all arcs, has AA and even a rear beam, plus the range advantage.
the VHC is better than both though due to AA and the ability to hand out crits without taking any.

The Vorlon Heavy Cruiser (along with the entire Vorlon fleet) gets better, the lower the PL ships that are facing it due to the (as you mentioned) effect of criticals and of Self-Repair.

The Victory vs the Adira....The sheer survivability afforded by the GEG is worth a lot, as is the good mix of weapons in all arcs. You're right that in a one-on-one the Victory would probably win but that isn't the strength of the Adira. The Adira excells in smaller games where it can sit in the centre and blast any enemy that dares come close. Either way, the three are probably the only three genuinely good Armageddon PL ships.

 

[chaos0xomega]

I thought the Ka'Bin'Tak was considered one of the best?

 

[Smegish]

I did a one-on-one game with my adira vs a friends Ka'Bin'Tak. Fight lasted 5 turns, Ka'Bin'Tak was dead and Adira still had more then half damage and crew left, the neutron cannon ripped it to peices and the GEG meant that the energy mines and his smaller guns did basically nothing.

 

[katadder]

the brakiri/abbai armageddon ship is also worth taking IMO, which brings the list to 4, pity its such an awful model.

 

[H]

with the new beam mechanics, i suspect that the Brivoki will be even more scary!.

 

[Alexb83]

VHC is great - but in terms of actual damage, you can effectively discount AA when comparing Arma ships - they all shoot DD or TD weapons, plus precise.

With average beam dice, a VHC would go down quite quickly I to fire from SAP beams in the quantities provided by the Adira (discouting Kat's vassal rolls).

Yes, the ability to crit a ship and not be critted does help, but the VHC does not actually have 300 damage (or 600). It takes 1d6 per hit, plus another d6 every 1/6 hits for precise weapons.

 

[Matt]

so the EA ships are no good ?

 

[H]

these are just numbers, one mans Elephant is another mans scalpel. good tactics can make any ship better than it seems, and likewise bad tactics can doom you. Essentially, the nemesis and Warlock are sub par for an armageddon ship, but it doesn't mean they are useless. you might be better house ruling with your mates to use the SFOS warlock and shadow omega though. (both war level)

 

[Matt]

okey been away from the game for sometime but thinking of getting inn to it again, and i have allways been a EA guy.

what can i say i love flying bricks

 

[H]

well, depending on the era of EA you play, if it's early, you get no armagedon ships anyway. and in Second ed (4months ish away allegedly) then the Nemesis shifts to psi corp, the warlock returns to war, and the Excalibur is a unique ship for you to use at armageddon.

 

[tschuma]

Triggy

I have a request, could you send me your formulas for calculating the numbers for the different levels, like you and Humbaa? did before or at update the numbers for 2E. I am curious as to were some of the ships ended up with all the changes. Plus a guy in ot group is working on some supply rules for a large campaign and this would help with that.

Thanks in advance.

Tom

 

[dag'karlove]

Never Never Never Believe in The numbers. Yes they can Lie. The Ka' Bintak I wouuld Put second only to the victory and on par with the adira probably slightly ahead. My Ka'Bin'tak has gone head to head with the odd adira a few times and has survived better than Your Number suggest. I won once with it cleanly and fought an adira down to its last 6 hull points before my Ka'Bin'tak died in a hail of gunfire. As it was stated tactics become a large part of what determines how one ship does against another. Clearly the vicotry is teh front runner with that adaptive armor, advanced antifighter, the fighters it carries, afterburner, speed and simple allaround teeth, not to mention that nasty quad damage lightning gun.

 

[EDFDarkAngel1]

I had a Ka'Bin'Tak that personally ripped through an entire EA Fleet, almost by itself. In a 4 way 7pt War, it knocked a Vorlon ship down to half and blew up two Drakh cruisers.

Adaptive Armor slows down the Ka'Bin'Tak, but it has almost 200 hull... not going down very quickly. GEG is annoying, but I only have experience against Drakh with it.

Dark Angel

 

[tschuma]

The numbers list on page 1 are from 1E and do not reflect the ship stats for 2E. I would like to get the formula that he was using for a campaign we are working on.

Tschma

 

[LaranosTZ]

I have used the Brivoki now in a campaign, and I have to agree that it is probably one of the best choices now for an armageddon level ship. It has solid durability, good damage and crew, and with 28 pts of shields it can actually take a lot of firepower before there is even any -risk- of getting criticalled. It also comes with its own falkosi, so you can run them on interceptor duty and double it's defenses. Lastly, in sheer volume of firepower it can come very close to matching the Adira, and it actually does beat the Victory in the firepower department, when you consider all firing arcs.

 

[akenatum]

I would say that the armageddon ships all have thier worthwile points, i'm actually quite favourable to the drakh mothership for edging out the win depending on what you carried inside...