Starship Troopers Evolution

[Sky Captain]

Good:

1) A lot of people ask for pre-painted stuff at Demos
2) Not using "bend'ums" plastic
3) No scale creep or avoidance of "originals" currently out
4) Quicker start-up for new gamers
5) Lower overall Cost and NON-COLLECTABLE
6) Better Quality Control and time to customer

Bad:

1) May foster a "Disposable outlook" of gamers
2) May not keep people "emotionally tied" to the system as they did not put any effort into the minis/hobby
3) Universal paint jobs (requiring special orders to get un-painted items)
4) Universal equiptment load outs (requiring boosters for variations)
5) May cause "backstock" of existing minis in Retailer and Distributor shelves.
6) Some people who are not big on painting/assembly with still unassembled minis will be miffed and unable to swap out.

my 2 cents

 

[Quark]

I have to admit Matt, that I honestly thought you'd miss your target date
for this! Kudos for sticking to your word AND remaining on-line to answer
questions.

I have another question though- (forgive this one as I'm not a "pre-paint" player), How will two people w/the same prepainted bug armies tell eachother's Warriors etc. apart if they play each other?

 

[Mac V]

MY MAN the duck billed LT!

Good to See ya!

My biggest concern here is that you have a game company making some rational decisions.

Are the old rules now useless?
No, in fact they will still be supported

Are the old minis useless?
No, please use them

How's the paint jobs?
Very nice thank you!

Collectable?
Nope!

Are the paint jobs accurate to the actual units?
Yes!

Is the price going to double?
Nope, it's about the same

Word of caution Matt. Run and hide, the rest of the industry cannot allow you to live! :lol:

I'm not used to this much logic with game companies. Maybe I'll just have to go look at my brown A&A T-34 to come back to reality. :lol:

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

my 2 cents

Well spent if you ask me . . . . . .

 

[MongooseMatt]

one last thing, so the RIPPLERS currently are plastic for $50. Now if they were metal I figured they would be around $75.00 for 9 of 'em. Is that the kind of price I'm looking at having to spend when these come out Pre-Painted??????????

You are adding two and two, but getting five.

Our target price point for this particular set, pre-painted, is $44.95. . .

 

[tneva82]

Whilst I don't agree with people saying that you can just convert or (***shudders***) re-paint the new line

Why? Spray white/black, paint. There's no law forbidding it

but by just saying that re-painting and converting PPM stuff is a little insulting to some of us hardcore modellers,

Should we be saying "you are FORBIDDEN to repaint!" instead? Since lot seem fixated on idea that this will kill painting somebody has to point out you can repaint it easily.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

MY MAN the duck billed LT!

Good to See ya!

My biggest concern here is that you have a game company making some rational decisions.

Are the old rules now useless?
No, in fact they will still be supported

Are the old minis useless?
No, please use them

How's the paint jobs?
Very nice thank you!

Collectable?
Nope!

Are the paint jobs accurate to the actual units?
Yes!

Is the price going to double?
Nope, it's about the same

Word of caution Matt. Run and hide, the rest of the industry cannot allow you to live! :lol:

I'm not used to this much logic with game companies. Maybe I'll just have to go look at my brown A&A T-34 to come back to reality. :lol:

Lol! I think (in the long run) its a good thing, HOWEVER . . .

I do worry about the leaving it till April thing (could this be an elaborate Aprils Fool lol) as I think thats quite a long time!

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

one last thing, so the RIPPLERS currently are plastic for $50. Now if they were metal I figured they would be around $75.00 for 9 of 'em. Is that the kind of price I'm looking at having to spend when these come out Pre-Painted??????????

You are adding two and two, but getting five.

Our target price point for this particular set, pre-painted, is $44.95. . .

I am VERY impressed at how the prices are dropping (at least a little) for these pre-painted models.

Why?

 

[MongooseMatt]

Never gonna be a kiddies game?!>!?!?!?! :evil: :evil:
They're rereleasing it prepainted, with the rules condensed to two sides of A4! How is that not gearing it towards a younger audience?!?!

It really isn't a kiddies game. The, umm, more mature gamer should appreciate the tactical depth of this system.

That said, believe it or not, I think there should be more young blood in the hobby. . .

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

Whilst I don't agree with people saying that you can just convert or (***shudders***) re-paint the new line

Why? Spray white/black, paint. There's no law forbidding it

but by just saying that re-painting and converting PPM stuff is a little insulting to some of us hardcore modellers,

Should we be saying "you are FORBIDDEN to repaint!" instead? Since lot seem fixated on idea that this will kill painting somebody has to point out you can repaint it easily.

I (for one) will be re-doing the bases, my boards are Yellow Desert Boards.

 

[Quark]

So um what happens when my red and black pre-assembled warriors fight your red and black pre-assembled warriors?

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

This threads scary, 390+ posts and 7960+ Views . . . . . .

In One Day!!!!!

 

[mthomason]

That said, believe it or not, I think there should be more young blood in the hobby. . .

*waves walking frame* dang whippersnappers turning up with their plastic miniatures, in my day we didn't even have metal, we just used maps and cardboard counters representing entire batallions!

 

[Gauntlet-]

what could redeem my opinion is if mongoose can show with this line that their release dates mean something, and a fanatic devotion to good art. You do that and im sure ill be sold However they have not shown they can do that, theyve shown the opposite... continually.

If it aint ready don't announce it. As for art, Buy a Dark Horse comic from say 5 years ago. If it isnt that good, dont print it.

If I wouldnt want to see it on bubble gum wrappers I dont want it in a rule book.

Ill have to play though
what choice do I have I just bought 72 warriors after all.

 

[Lieutenant Rasczak]

That said, believe it or not, I think there should be more young blood in the hobby. . .

*waves walking frame* dang whippersnappers turning up with their plastic miniatures, in my day we didn't even have metal, we just used maps and cardboard counters representing entire batallions!

C'mon Matt, you're not that old Lol.

 

[Quark]

Whoot! Cardboard and paper! Man, was Squad Leader a great game or what? :lol:


Still waiting for a response on the whole my army is identical to your army thing.

 

[mthomason]

what could redeem my opinion is if mongoose can show with this line that their release dates mean something, and a fanatic devotion to good art. You do that and im sure ill be sold However they have not shown they can do that, theyve shown the opposite... continually.

I have a sneaking suspicion that's why they've picked a more realistic target for this, due to the number they've missed in the past.

 

[mthomason]

*waves walking frame* dang whippersnappers turning up with their plastic miniatures, in my day we didn't even have metal, we just used maps and cardboard counters representing entire batallions!

C'mon Matt, you're not that old Lol.

No, seriously, the first wargames I ever played used paper maps and cardboard counters (after we realised rubbing out the pencil marks was so messy).

 

[CmdrKiley]

but I really don't want to pay for the painting and assembly,

Well lucky you, you would pay same as unassembled and unpainted model

The chances are unassembled and unpainted would actually cost more, as they would probably have to be ordered direct from Mongoose's parts service if they did them

Not necessarially true.

All it would require is to pull the necessary sprues prior to them being put into the painting process, than bag them as a kit. Same procedure as any plastic model kit that's been produced for decades. Production savings in painting, quality checks on painting (and scrap), assembly, packing of assembled product, protection methods to ensure finish is not damaged during packaging and shipment, etc. There would be some extra part numbers to handle at the production source, additional boxes (finished and unfinished kits), and perhaps assembly directions and maybe a sheet of decals (OK that's wishful thinking). Overall based on volume and how the production facility works, there should be a cost savings which could be passed onto the customer. This could lead to an expanded appeal as boxed sets of unfinished figures and vehicles may appeal more at hobby stores that cater to modelers where the prepainted stuff would appeal to the stores that sell Clix figures.

This has also been done in reverse, where existing model companies like Testors, Ertl/AMT, and Monogram/Revel have taken existing unfinished model kits, moved the production to China, had the kit painted and assembled (or partially assembled) and shipped as a kit with no painting or assembly required (oxymoron?). Personally I hate the concept as it defeats the purpose of building and painting a kit. Sort of like having your dad build it for you (except not because he's better at it or is allowed to use a knife, just that he's faster and cheaper than you), then showing everyone you built a model kit.

 

[tneva82]

I (for one) will be re-doing the bases, my boards are Yellow Desert Boards.

I for one will be redoing everything. Those green grizzlies will sure look weird next to my more...brownish...cap trooppers