Starship Troopers Evolution

what's wrong with kids?

I do play often with my 4 year old boy.

He does have to win though, a lot!

But when I have my favourite soldier in hands I won't let him win.

Then it usuallly ends with screams and the evil eye from my wife.

Then I go off playing with dolls until my 2 year old daughter notices it.

Just aleviating things up.
Both Lt Raszack and MaxSteiner have a point.

I like you both.

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MaxSteiner said:
The Lt. is a converted fanboy, he used to love GW

Actually, I'm not. I've never liked GW's stuff.

I was headhunted by GW and worked for them for 8 years before leaving over the way Staff (and not me either) were being treated.

I never played GW games before working for them, and I stopped before I left actually.
 
MaxSteiner said:
Actually the news regarding Warzone was you see what you're buying on the back of the box and its in units, its just its collectable in the exact same way every wargame is collectable.
Unless theres been some more news?

Nope, just the words "collectable miniatures game" tends get it categorized incorrectly... Thanks for pointing that out, I can go inform some people they may want to look at it after all, now :)
 
Man almost every poster I thought was cool is leaving :cry:
Its just gonna be CudaHP and the Lt. soon :lol:

Kirkmex don't loose faith, theres still eight months before the games swamped with tweenies! And besides by then GW will probably have prepainted Spacemarines, or there will be 3D MTG cards or something so they might all be busy with that (x Fingers crossed!!!).
Although supporting a system with no new releases is difficult its not impossible, just think how cheap all the old SST models are gonna be in about a month or so!
 
MaxSteiner said:
And besides by then GW will probably have prepainted Spacemarines

I'd probably be willing to put money on that. If I had any. They have been talking about new "secret" advances in technology beyond what we've seen from them so far in terms of the production of the new plastic Giant...
 
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1142346333;start=all
Theres a Q&A about it there I could be wrong I havent read it in ages.

I'm worried about that actually. What if GW doesn't do pre-painted and starts harking on about being the last true bastion of the hobby, and all the little kids that play space wolves will start looking down their noses at every other system rather than just ignoring them as they do now. The evil empires elitist enough already! :shock:
 
Prepainted GW? There is a great thread on warseer abotu that (started by me)

You think there is whailing and nashing of teeth here!? You havent seen nothin!

GW paint Nazi's are going NUTS!

Besides if they did it, it would be DOUBLE the price of the unpainted, so what, $80 for a tac squad?
 

Still got all my Chainmail, BUT its a totally different kettle of fish. SSTE is a sort of 2nd Edition, with a new way of presenting the Armies


*nod* I can go there, and I think most of us knew the rules would be *doh* the long, thoughtful paragraph on what type of game we are goign to got nuked. Just assume you were all amazed by my prose :P.

Trying to sum it up: I'm worried the complicated game I love is going beer and pretzels.

You've just validated their decision to do this, with so much choice you need something to 'tempt' people to play SST.

Yup, I have to give you that one. I guess the question is if it is tempting *me* to play. So far....it just dosen't sound like the kind of game I really get into.


But there is ABSOLUTELY nothing stopping you individualizing your army, more highlights & shading, overpainting or conversions. I can't see what the problem is.

Ah, I think the diffrence is a simple repaint, or did I make it from a kit? Even a solid metal figure with a blank base to me counts as a kit; I still have lots of choices of what to do. Sure, I can still mod it, but its much easier (for me) when its in kit form. I guess the thing is I *like* to assemble the models and paint them. If I didn't, I would have choosen mechwarrior or some such instead of SST...but now SST is changing.

You will soon find that you will build up a lot of 'bits' nevertheless, plus there are the sets which aren't pre-painted. Try to look at this positively, why not learn to sculpt!

25+ years of trying has resulted in a fascinating array of blobish shapes with funny proportions :). Trying for all these years has given me a huge amount of respect for well sculpted figs, as I have a clue exactly how hard that is to pull off.


What about nagging Mongoose into doing an 'Accessory' Box for MI

Sounds like they may have that planned already...as it is now, I'm waiting for an order of MI weapon sprues, and I wish I could have got that in a package rather than order bits :). Didn't anyone else want to put two javelins in their MI squad??



Bluefool said:
Your milage may vary...

I'm not sure what you meant by this . . . . [/quote]

Oh, its an american expression. When they sell you a car over here, they have to put its gas mileage in a sticker in the window. Since they do the milage test in an air conditioned room on rollers, the number on the window mysteriously is never the same as what you actually get. So, in the small print it always says "Your Milage May Vary". We use it to mean you can think what you think, and I can think what I think.
 
Games&Theory said:
Ok, my old models can still be used but how's that different than me using GW Space Marines as proxies? Heck, I coulda been doing that all along (and, in hindsight, maybe I should have).

Should they have invalidated all current models then?

The bottom line is that anybody who supported the game pre-SST:Evo is being given short shrift because this announcement effectively ended that game...gloss over it however you like.

No. More of gave new life to half-dead game.

What do you tell some poor kid who just decided to get into SST:Beta

Ah. So rather than fixing problems in the rules(which btw are impossible to avoid) they should just have let them be INSTEAD OF FIXING THEM?

Or the poor soul who bought that horrid Skinnie Leader just yesterday?

Gee. So bad models(which are also impossible to avoid) shouldn't have been remade then? Wow! What advancement! How customer friendly! Let's not produce better version because somebody has already bought old version!

Lol. So in your opinion problems shouldn't be fixed but rather just keep same old stuff going around. Nevermind THAT would kill the game...
 
MaxSteiner said:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1142346333;start=all
Theres a Q&A about it there I could be wrong I havent read it in ages.

I'm worried about that actually. What if GW doesn't do pre-painted and starts harking on about being the last true bastion of the hobby, and all the little kids that play space wolves will start looking down their noses at every other system rather than just ignoring them as they do now. The evil empires elitist enough already! :shock:

"kids" are going to drop GW in favor of prepainted stuff. They hate painting (and stupid painting RTT rules) more than I do
 
Well it sounds like Mongoose is getting away from doing metal for any future SST work. Other than the Tanker Bug, a miscast gun on a sprue, poor instructions, and some missing sprues, I've had less issues with the plastic. The PVC type plastic was not that much of an issue as I use cyano-acrylate glue for almost all my minis anyways. Perhaps this puts the metal casting source on notice as they're not going to be getting much more new business. Will that encourage them to get their act together for the existing metal models, or will it discourage them and let everything go to pot?

Well I'm glad to hear that it's not vinyl crap like Wizkids or Wizards of the Coast. I'm also glad to hear that it's not collectable, as that is a major turn-off to me. We noticed at Gen Con that Rackham was emphasizing their AT43 line as not collectable.

As far as the pre-painting, well it appeals to some, not to me. I prefer to paint all my own. Pre-painting, even if it's a semi-decent level, is really of no value to me. Yeah, I might buy some of this new stuff, but I really don't want to pay for the painting and assembly, as I'll more than likely be disassembling it and repainting it to my standards. I'd prefer that Mongoose investigate boxing the parts, unpainted and unassembled and pass the savings on as a kit. If the quality of the parts is good, I'll be more than happy to buy it. I heard that Rackham is going to sell their AT43 stuff unpainted as well.
 
Bluefool said:
Ah, I think the diffrence is a simple repaint, or did I make it from a kit?

Well, think back to the days when everything was metal and there were no plastic kits for wargaming. What did we do back then? :) Seriously, I still know people who think plastic kits are the worst thing that ever hit wargaming because it took all the fun out of cutting up metals for conversions :shock:
 
MaxSteiner said:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1142346333;start=all
Theres a Q&A about it there I could be wrong I havent read it in ages.

Btw, it's been delayed until...April 2007. :lol:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1153468601
 
MaxSteiner said:
Never gonna be a kiddies game?!>!?!?!?! :evil: :evil:
They're rereleasing it prepainted, with the rules condensed to two sides of A4! How is that not gearing it towards a younger audience?!?!

I'm so glad my FLGS shut down, at least I wont have to be seen buying the stuff :D

Max, you must have a case of selective reader sydrome. Reread the original post by Matt. The game has the full blown rules of SST, but each box set comes with a quick play set of rules for beginners.
 
CmdrKiley said:
Well it sounds like Mongoose is getting away from doing metal for any future SST work. Other than the Tanker Bug, a miscast gun on a sprue, poor instructions, and some missing sprues, I've had less issues with the plastic. .

I have to think that was a major force behind the decision. Mongoose's metal minis are a constant source of headaches to me, and the number of times I have to get a missing part for a customer are frankly unacceptable.

The metal minis are the *only* problem I've ever had with Mongoose stuff, though, so even if the decision was to do unpainted single-piece moulded plastics, I would have been over the moon about it.
 
mthomason said:
CmdrKiley said:
Well it sounds like Mongoose is getting away from doing metal for any future SST work. Other than the Tanker Bug, a miscast gun on a sprue, poor instructions, and some missing sprues, I've had less issues with the plastic. .

I have to think that was a major force behind the decision. Mongoose's metal minis are a constant source of headaches to me, and the number of times I have to get a missing part for a customer are frankly unacceptable.

The metal minis are the *only* problem I've ever had with Mongoose stuff, though, so even if the decision was to do unpainted single-piece moulded plastics, I would have been over the moon about it.

Also Metal prices keep climbing, so its not going to be profitable for them to do metal models forever.

I wonder - pre-painted B5 Fleets . . . . . . .
 
MaxSteiner said:
Never gonna be a kiddies game?!>!?!?!?! :evil: :evil:
They're rereleasing it prepainted, with the rules condensed to two sides of A4! How is that not gearing it towards a younger audience?!?!

Since the rules are going to be mostly cleaner version of current game(ie less ambiquotity, same effect)...Okay so maybe current rules are good kid-scarer as they are...Messy to say the least but I call clearing them up as positive sign.
 
I was kind of wondering when a technology advance on the manufacturing side would change the mini market. I figured it wouldn't be too long after Mage Knight, D&D, etc. I also figured the next logical step would be non-collectable and integrated with terrain from the same manufacturer. Looks like tommorrow will be in 8 months. THing is, (not to anger anyone) I'm not overly hyped on the 2 games announced. I did say to a friend at a local con a few months back that SST would be much more interesting with pre-painted minis. I really hope it's not too long for WWII! Conan, or RQ would also be interesting...
 
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