So, the Traveller art thread is gone, too?

Yeah, do they know how long it took me to wrangle those tags to post that cover art? ;)

Ah well, good job I saved em as an rtf...

I'm guessing they decided it was crossing the line, though I hope it wasn't the line of copyright issues.
 
Hmm... Interesting the threads just disappear. I would think the moderator would PM a poster so that whatever caused the thread to be deleted would not be duplicated.
 
You will have to get used to the fact that Matthew Sprange is the owner of Mongoose and the owner of these boards so can do whatever he pleases. Despite what he likes to say, posts and threads are deleted without warning if they displease him in any way. It's the way of things.

In fact, I would be surprised if this/post stays intact now.


Sam
 
ParanoidGamer said:
okeeeyy... and there wasn't even a real argument there...

oh well...


Huh. Perhaps its just the internet perspective you have, but it sure seemed like a rather rancorous argument to me; not as hostile as some I've read, even here, but certainly not the content I'd like on a forum which is to support a commercial product.

But hey. What do I know ?
 
captainjack23 said:
Huh. Perhaps its just the internet perspective you have, but it sure seemed like a rather rancorous argument to me; not as hostile as some I've read, even here, but certainly not the content I'd like on a forum which is to support a commercial product.

About the size of it.

What you have to understand is this (and I am a little disturbed that this is the first time I have had to explain this - we have taken over other classic games, and have never yet met this problem to this degree). Some of the people monitoring this forum are, I promise you, young enough to be the children of some of the posters here.

Now think about them spending part of their working day trying to keep grown men apart. . .

Guys, we welcome all sorts of discourse here, and we have never been shy about accepting criticism aimed at us as a company. But the attitude and conduct of some posters on this particluar forum is _not_ acceptable in any civilised social circle. We make no apologies for deleting posts and threads where people have completely failed to control themselves.

We do not come over to your house and create a mess. Please respect ours.
 
Guys, we welcome all sorts of discourse here, and we have never been shy about accepting criticism aimed at us as a company. But the attitude and conduct of some posters on this particluar forum is _not_ acceptable in any civilised social circle. We make no apologies for deleting posts and threads where people have completely failed to control themselves.
Well said.

I thought the purpose of this forum was to help Mongoose develop a kick-arse version of Traveller. Not to sink it with negativity and then savage each other over the bones.

Personally I only want to read constructive criticism and ideas. So lets stay positive and genial otherwise we'll all be cut out of the loop... :wink:
 
msprange said:
captainjack23 said:
Huh. Perhaps its just the internet perspective you have, but it sure seemed like a rather rancorous argument to me; not as hostile as some I've read, even here, but certainly not the content I'd like on a forum which is to support a commercial product.

About the size of it.

What you have to understand is this (and I am a little disturbed that this is the first time I have had to explain this - we have taken over other classic games, and have never yet met this problem to this degree). Some of the people monitoring this forum are, I promise you, young enough to be the children of some of the posters here.

Now think about them spending part of their working day trying to keep grown men apart. . .

Guys, we welcome all sorts of discourse here, and we have never been shy about accepting criticism aimed at us as a company. But the attitude and conduct of some posters on this particluar forum is _not_ acceptable in any civilised social circle. We make no apologies for deleting posts and threads where people have completely failed to control themselves.

We do not come over to your house and create a mess. Please respect ours.

Please accept my sincere thanks. I prefer it civil.
 
Voodoo B Do said:
it's called censorship AND this is a forum not a kindergarten. Citing civilization as reason is far more troubling than any argument i've seen on here so far. Civilization is a process not an end. The name of civilization has been used for many atrocities including censorship. Better to let people have their say which what a forum is or otherwise call it something other than a forum.

I hate to tell you this but Mongoose can "censor" whatever they like - it's their board, and it's funded with their money, and it's up to them who they allow to post on it or what they allow to be posted on it and what rules people have to follow. If you don't like that, then you're more than welcome to go elsewhere.

But if you want "total freedom of speech" and "no censorship" then go to a totally unmoderated board and see how "civil" it gets there. Personally, I don't mind if threads get deleted here - it gets them out of the way and brings them to a decisive end (unless of course, people insist on posting new threads saying "hey, where did my thread go?" when it's patently obvious that it got deleted). There's several other threads that could have done with being deleted too (and that I've complained about), but it seems that this board needs much more active moderation than it's getting so far (presumably Chris is too busy working on the Traveller book to worry about the petty squabbles on this board).

Sometimes the level of civility has dropped to non-existent here though, and there's been far too much snarky comment and random sideswipes that aren't posted for any reason other than to aggravate more. Admittedly I've gotten really frustrated at some people here, but while I can accept some blame for my reactions (and apologise for it) there are others who have gone out of their way to bait and insult and who then pretend that they're totally innocent, and that sort of behaviour really is not conducive to any kind of civilised discussion.
 
msprange said:
Voodoo B Do said:
Civility is over rated... being human is under rated.

This really isn't the place (or the game) for angst. . .


Heh.

"Traveller: the Angstfilled marches."

What kind of cover for that supplement ?

...black, I suppose. with a single tear........
 
Hey... did a conversion (for 1st Ed Vampire rules) for WoDTraveller.

Should be on my site: http://aramis.angeltowns.com
 
Voodoo B Do said:
it's called censorship.

No it's not. Censorship is when the government blocks free expression or freedom of speech. A forum is private property and the people running it have every right to delete or edit any content they feel is innapropriate. MGP have been very willing to allow people to post constructive criticism, but a lot of what gets posted in the Traveller forum goes well beyond that.
 
Lorcan Nagle said:
Voodoo B Do said:
it's called censorship.

No it's not. Censorship is when the government blocks free expression or freedom of speech. A forum is private property and the people running it have every right to delete or edit any content they feel is innapropriate. MGP have been very willing to allow people to post constructive criticism, but a lot of what gets posted in the Traveller forum goes well beyond that.
Actually, censorship need not be governmental.

Mongoose is censoring by redacting conversations which are part of the correspondence present.

It is just a matter of being appropriate for a company to censor posters on their private BBS.

Dictionary.reference.com said:
censoring
noun
1. counterintelligence achieved by banning or deleting any information of value to the enemy
2. deleting parts of publications or correspondence or theatrical performances

Now, the question is, if on is goin to censor, I've found that, as a rule, better to inform the offender so that they can learn the line.
 
I'm not necessarily going to debate Mongoose's moderating style - I mod a forum and while we're pretty heavy handed, we don't do things the same way MGP does. All I'm saying is that they're perfectly within their rights to delete threads.

Censorship in the context it's used in these discussions is certainly more in line with government censorship - MGP deleting a thread they don't like is more akin to a magazine editor deciding not to publish a letter.
 
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Note the lines I've made bold. We ain't got no grounds to bitch if a thread is removed.

My only regret is I wish a post was made about why/that it was done so there was no confusion.
 
Okaaay. So I just had a couple of posts deleted here for no apparent reason.

While I accept that Mongoose can do what they like on their boards, this is starting to take the piss somewhat. If posts are just going to be deleted apparently on the whim of the admins and without any explanation or warning (not even via PM) then I'm just going to follow my own advice and stop posting on the Mongoose boards. The moderation seems to range from completely non-existent to "delete anything without explanation", with nothing in between.

I'm sure this post will be deleted too, which will just prove my point really. :roll:
 
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