Should the Vorlons and Shadows have more ships in 2nd Ed

[Da Boss]

well I think they should I was trying to make this a poll but can't get it to work!

My Reasons for:
To make it more interesting to play with them or against them.
Use the models already there - eg Fleet action versions or the fact that there are now two transport models! :roll: with only one stat.
I think the Shadows and Vorlons look great and new Cthonian / Archanid ships would be interesting (there are some nice ones in B5 Amarda 2 - Mindkiller and others) and I could then buy them!
There are gaps in the fleet / priority that really need to be filled to make them work in the game as a interesting tournament choice and campaign choice.
Scouts for Vorlons - no worry with Beams now, Carriers for both - make the fighters useable........Dreadnought for Vorlons - already mentioned in the fluff...........
And then there is the Experience table - the idea that the two most active and successful manipulators in the Galaxy don't get to have a suitable Other Duties table is silly - and there is already a nice idea for this on the forum!

Usual reasons against:
They are not in the show :roll: And the majority of the ships in ACTA are made up and never ever seen in the show.
They only ever made three /Four ships in the million year history - hmm does anyone beleive this - that there are not specalised versions of the present fleet or experiments that were not seen in the short lived conflict between the two fleets in the show..........

ok so what do you think?

 

[Valen is my name]

could be good, allow the vorlons to fight at lower levels, but it could lead to a load of weak ships that no-one really wants to use.

just a wacky idea but..

how about letting the vorlons field a minbari ship/s at the low levels if they are not using their own ships. this would represent the vorlons influence on the minbari, but would not have the complication of the vorlons being seen to fight with allies. this would stop small, weak vorlon ships having to be made from scratch.

 

[Da Boss]

could be good, allow the vorlons to fight at lower levels, but it could lead to a load of weak ships that no-one really wants to use. .

Or not - but at least it would be a choice and in 2nd Ed they seem to be trying to make all the ships a good actual choice.

just a wacky idea but..

how about letting the vorlons field a minbari ship/s at the low levels if they are not using their own ships. this would represent the vorlons influence on the minbari, but would not have the complication of the vorlons being seen to fight with allies. this would stop small, weak vorlon ships having to be made from scratch.

Could be fun, similar thing for the Shadows would also work with Centarui Drakh or EA but would have to decide how it works in Campaigns.........

The ISA manage to have good ships now at most levels..............should be able to do same with First Ones

 

[Valen is my name]

could be good, allow the vorlons to fight at lower levels, but it could lead to a load of weak ships that no-one really wants to use. .

Or not - but at least it would be a choice and in 2nd Ed they seem to be trying to make all the ships a good actual choice.

yeah but i don't think it would fit in very well, vorlon ships being at skirmish level these days seems odd to me, they are the big, powerful oldies who don't get involved at low levels, just bide their time till a big war erupts. which is why i thought of the idea of them using minbari, but not alongside their own ships, instead would influence the minbari into acting, as they 'set their pieces in motion.'

however, it may get a little complicated for campaigns, but i would be happy to think it through and try to come up with a suitable way of getting it to work if anyone thought that it would be a nice, fitting idea that could be investigated further.

 

[friendlyfire]

I'd say sure, why not? Mongoose has already created their own ship designs for the other races why would they exclude them from that? At the very least give them new ships on paper (stats in 2nd Ed. and/or S&P) so us fans can make our own conversions!

 

[Da Boss]

Ok how about the idea of a more varied choice at higher levels Raid +?

 

[Valen is my name]

yeah, and i'd love to see a dreadnought.

 

[Da Boss]

I'd say sure, why not? Mongoose has already created their own ship designs for the other races why would they exclude them from that? At the very least give them new ships on paper (stats in 2nd Ed. and/or S&P) so us fans can make our own conversions!

Cool thats what i am talking about, very nice new ships - don't want to sell any do you!?

 

[operative 6678]

What about colour based variants to fill fleet gaps for the vorlons? Such as red destroyers (I think it was a destroyer in the show) having longer ranged weapons, purple transports (bad Kosh encounter suit colours) having additional anti-fighter weapons for example.

The colour could mark the ships age

light/pale greens and yellows - youngest & weakest of their class (ship drops 1 PL and has weaker stats)

green – relatively young but the mainstay of vorlon fleets (original PL and stats)

red - older and more powerful (original PL, better weapons, slightly better damage, exept for transports carries 1 fighter wing - but slower and/or less manoeuvrable)

purple - by far the oldest and most powerful, few in number and rarely seen outside fleet engagements (up 1 PL if possible, much better weapons can take 50% to 75% more damage, transport get 1 fighter wing the rest get 3 or more - but has reduced speed of between 25% to 50% of original and is less manoeuvrable)



(My first post)

 

[Greg Smith]

(My first post)

Welcome to the Mongoose madhouse.

 

[operative 6678]

Thankyou for the warm welcome Greg

 

[Da Boss]

What about colour based variants to fill fleet gaps for the vorlons? Such as red destroyers (I think it was a destroyer in the show) having longer ranged weapons, purple transports (bad Kosh encounter suit colours) having additional anti-fighter weapons for example.

The colour could mark the ships age

light/pale greens and yellows - youngest & weakest of their class (ship drops 1 PL and has weaker stats)

green – relatively young but the mainstay of vorlon fleets (original PL and stats)

red - older and more powerful (original PL, better weapons, slightly better damage, exept for transports carries 1 fighter wing - but slower and/or less manoeuvrable)

purple - by far the oldest and most powerful, few in number and rarely seen outside fleet engagements (up 1 PL if possible, much better weapons can take 50% to 75% more damage, transport get 1 fighter wing the rest get 3 or more - but has reduced speed of between 25% to 50% of original and is less manoeuvrable)



(My first post)

I second the welcome - have fun!

good idea - someone mentioned something similar before and seems interesting - however I would also like new ships as well as varients..............greedy perhaps!

 

[operative 6678]

Thankyou as well Da Boss

What about a Skirmish level EA Explorer type vessels for both the Shadows and Vorlons?

Originally designed for a time when they respected each other more and were still exploring the galaxy. Since things turned ugly most became long-range patrol & scout vessels, others armed freighters and the rest light fighter carriers that rarely leave Hyperspace (the Psi Corp learnt this technique from their shadow contacts used for their own Motherships).

Like the EA Explorer slow, high damage levels for the PL level, can deploy some fighters and jump point engines.

I think such a ship could fit as it can be argued that it wouldn't have be used in large fleet battles (so wouldn't have been seen in the show), but would be part of a small force sent to deal with border intrusion by those pesky younger races

 

[Vorlon Servant]

I vote yes for new ships.

 

[Jetbaker]

I would just like to see more of a personality in the ships based on the race/gender/age/ of the telepath in the ship. I am not asking for a different stat line like those other personalities get but something specific to that person race/gender/age....it would make it interesting to have an old Narn telepath from the last Shadow War....I mean my god if a shadow ship can be jammed and totalled FUBARed for 2 rounds then at least give us something in exchange for that crippling effect.

*crosses fingers for some Shadow love

 

[Reaverman]

Would be cool to have more ships, the Ancients seem confined to raid and above. Which kid of sucks for low pl, and campaign games :?

 

[JayRaider]

Since we know Vorlon ships are sentient, perhaps a vorlon skirm level ship, no pilot just the ship controlling itself.
There is also plenty of room for a Shadow skirm level ship too.
I don't see how either could be bad for ACTA.

 

[Locutus9956]

Well Id be happy to have more ships to choose from but Id prefer not to go lower than raid in PL. Simply put even the smallest weakest ship they could build should be so technologically advanced and powerful that I cant see them coming in lower than raid and still feeling like Vorlons or Shadows.

 

[LordClinto]

I like the idea of the allies. Def Minbari for Vorlons, but shadows I would have to go with Centauri (Drakh just weren't on the scene yet).

About the colors, I'd always thought that the different colors represented different "clans" of the vorlons or even different "alignments".

 

[Alexb83]

I just differentiate my vorlons using colour, since names wont work (we are /all/ Kosh!). From JMS comments in Interludes...

Why was one of the Vorlon ships red?
Not special per se, just to establish that they have more than one design.

The red ship was simply another variation on the standard; nothing too major about it...

The different color just goes to show some measure of individuality in design, and there are some hierarchies implied here.

Are there lots of Vorlons in the big mother ship?
There's a bunch in the big ship.

Why didn't the mother ship (VHC) attack?
I think we just didn't see those shots; it was used in the attack.