Should the Vorlons and Shadows have more ships in 2nd Ed

[Da Boss]

well the Shadows are the epidoment of Chaos and are likely to have tried and try new ideas and ways of doing things..........and as ships from ACTA cover at least hundreds of years perhaps even to the last battle with the Minbari etc why shouldn't some oof them be around. Its eems intersting that they bother to have such dire fighters (in the game) and yet the last great battle was against the Minbari who excell inthis area..............
Unfulfilled designs include a Scout for the Vorlons, a Carrier for both (esp Fleet carrier) which would make their fighters a hell of a lot more usable, a beam equiped Shadow Scout (seen in the Show) a Vorlon Dreadnought and Planet Killer (already in fluff) etc etc

from a strictly game point of view - why not - choice and cool design possibilites

 

[Valen is my name]

do shadows need a carrier as they can carry them with their main ships already, why don't they just let the big ships carry more? its the vorlons who need one as nothing can carry vorlon fighters at the moment

 

[Da Boss]

do shadows need a carrier as they can carry them with their main ships already, why don't they just let the big ships carry more? its the vorlons who need one as nothing can carry vorlon fighters at the moment

Hmm do they need one - maybe, maybe not - Fleet carrier would make the fighters much more useful and have the sense that they opperate better when guided by their parent.
Agree that Vorlons def need one, together with a Scout - if only to keep an eye on the machinations of their ancient enemies and their minions.

Maybe the Shadows din't get a carrier but give a big ship Fleet Carrier(although personally would prefer a new model) and make a assault ship as something was used to attack and board a alt future B5 and they can't do that at present...............

 

[CheesyRobMan]

The Shadows don't need a carrier, their big ships spit out balls of fighters...

 

[super squirel]

The Shadows don't need a carrier, their big ships spit out balls of fighters...

But they can only spit out 1 flight per turn. Would be nice to debunk them all in one go (i.e carrier attribute)

Or have i understood the Fighter dispersal tubes thing all wrong and it fires the whole damn lot in one go??

 

[Burger]

They can spit out 6 I think in one go.

 

[Darzoni]

Some ideas...

Vorlon Mothership (War): The Mothership is a literal term, carrying and regenerating the small fighter organisms the Vorlons employ. The fighter flights can be quickly recalled by the mothership. Like other Vorlon vessels of its size, the Mothership possesses the deadly might of the Lightning Cannon.

Vorlon Planet Killer (Ancient): It is what it is. And that is all that it is. It exists only for special scenarios.

Vorlon Scout (Skirmish): A very light and agile vessel with only enough armament to defend itself. The ship has developed its power field aura into a stealth field, allowing it to glide undetected and relay enemy positions to the rest of its pod. This ship is precisely why there is the adage "The Ancients never miss."

 

[Da Boss]

The Shadows don't need a carrier, their big ships spit out balls of fighters...

Ok but Fleet Carrier would make their fighters almost useable and fit with the young / part of larger ships angle.......

 

[Da Boss]

Some ideas...

Vorlon Mothership (War): The Mothership is a literal term, carrying and regenerating the small fighter organisms the Vorlons employ. The fighter flights can be quickly recalled by the mothership. Like other Vorlon vessels of its size, the Mothership possesses the deadly might of the Lightning Cannon.."[/quote] Like it

Vorlon Planet Killer (Ancient): It is what it is. And that is all that it is. It exists only for special scenarios.."

seems interesting

Vorlon Scout (Skirmish): A very light and agile vessel with only enough armament to defend itself. The ship has developed its power field aura into a stealth field, allowing it to glide undetected and relay enemy positions to the rest of its pod. This ship is precisely why there is the adage "The Ancients never miss."[/quote]

An alternative option would to have a battle level version of the Destoryer (slightly weaker gun) with Scout but no Stealth as the Vorlons are disdainful of such relying on their superior bio defenses. However either option would be good. Maybe have the Skirmish option as completely unarmed except for good antifighter defenses.

So any chance of these (or at least soemthing extra) going into 2nd Ed powers that be? Plus a couple fo Shadow Ships - if short of ideas - play some Armada 2 mod?

 

[Darzoni]

The existance of stealthy Vorlon ships is a given, unless the Vorlons employed advanced telporting technology to show up on the Grey Sharlin in that one B5 movie... Which is also possible.

So a low priority stealthy scout would make sense, in my mind.

 

[[Omicron]Urobach]

well I think they should I was trying to make this a poll but can't get it to work!

My Reasons for:
To make it more interesting to play with them or against them.
Use the models already there - eg Fleet action versions or the fact that there are now two transport models! :roll: with only one stat.
I think the Shadows and Vorlons look great and new Cthonian / Archanid ships would be interesting (there are some nice ones in B5 Amarda 2 - Mindkiller and others) and I could then buy them!
There are gaps in the fleet / priority that really need to be filled to make them work in the game as a interesting tournament choice and campaign choice.
Scouts for Vorlons - no worry with Beams now, Carriers for both - make the fighters useable........Dreadnought for Vorlons - already mentioned in the fluff...........
And then there is the Experience table - the idea that the two most active and successful manipulators in the Galaxy don't get to have a suitable Other Duties table is silly - and there is already a nice idea for this on the forum!

Usual reasons against:
They are not in the show :roll: And the majority of the ships in ACTA are made up and never ever seen in the show.
They only ever made three /Four ships in the million year history - hmm does anyone beleive this - that there are not specalised versions of the present fleet or experiments that were not seen in the short lived conflict between the two fleets in the show..........

ok so what do you think?

interesting tread....i am work currently on a new shadow ship..after my finished new ships for centauri,narn and ea,now are the shadows needs some new ships. :wink:
ships like this are my projects for the future... hell...a lot of work be in front of me. 8)

 

[super squirel]

They can spit out 6 I think in one go.

Can they? bugger. :lol:

 

[Da Boss]

urobach81v2.0 Like the images - looks cool - hopefuly others will too!

 

[Banichi]

The image for the shadow chaser is very nice dude! Very menicing and preditory looking. It looks like the sort of thing that you could imagine lurking somewhere in a system terrorizing all the local shipping.

 

[Da Boss]

Don't suppose you are making any to sell!?

 

[CZuschlag]

Heck, get Mongoose to give you a copy of Rhino (I think that was the program) and sell the design to the modelling crew!

 

[[Omicron]Urobach]

Heck, get Mongoose to give you a copy of Rhino (I think that was the program) and sell the design to the modelling crew!

oh no...sorry. i had forgot to say it.
the designs are not from myself...but this are only pics...i want to realise this nice ships. :wink:

 

[Drahazar]

both shadows and vorlons should get more varients to compete in lower PLs but either keep the same models or they make a few new ones.