Ship Cards

Soulmage said:
That is what laminated ship cards and dry erase pens are for! ;)

If you like that... I find it simpler to just drop a counter next to the ship. And then my opponent doesn't have to decypher my writing.

I also find it easier to see a 1" counter next to a card from across the table than it is to see a note someone wrote on their card.
 
If you like that... I find it simpler to just drop a counter next to the ship.

Then you have to hide the counters somehow to cheat, instead of just deliberately writing very sloppily!

Trust me, pens are much better! LOL!!
 
We like to pick up the cards to examine them, pass them around etc. Piling counters on top would make this cumbersome.
 
Chernobyl said:
The previous ACTA markers that Pixelgeek did (you can see them on my old site and in Vassal ACTA) were for some special orders and critical effects, like speed -2 or -1AD.

I made a set using those, printed out on photo paper. Since my son and I only use the counters, they drop right down and are easy to move along with the ship. They also stand out, being shiny/glossy as they are. Thanks to the both of you (PixelGeek for making them and you for hosting them) for making them available!

Regards,
Larry
 
pixelgeek said:
And I don't think that IP can refer to something as generic as a set of numbers. There has to be something unique about them that distinguishes them from another set of numbers.

Just so people don't get the wrong idea. If Matt or someone from MP emails me to ask me to not sell the cards I won't sell them.

I just don't think that this is a copyright issue.
 
Have not read all the rules yet just got the book.

What all is there to keep up with, that is not on the card?

Fires

Crits

What Else?

I have some great graphics for stuff if folks like the idea of 3/4" to 1" counters.

Lee
 
I really like both sets of ship cards, but Pixelgeek's card is much easier for me to read.

What application are you using to create those?

TW
 
TabletopWarrior said:
What application are you using to create those?

Illustrator. I was going to do them in InDesign and I may actually do that as it will probably be quicker and easier to make PDFs from InDesign
 
They are nice cards indeed. I'm planning to make some kinda similar ones for a new version of my ship viewer. I think the current style is more suited to ACTA. The new version is going to have some features never before seen (it's obligatory to say that isn't it?)! ;)
 
pixelgeek said:
In order to make sure that I get off my butt and finish them, unlike my ACTA cards, I will eventually be offering these for sale via PayPal.

You won't - legal action will follow. Sorry, but that is the way it has to be.

On the other hand, we have no problems at all with people having such cards as a free to download item on an official web site. We have always encouraged fan-related additions to our games, and these are no different.

The important thing is that you cannot charge for them. That takes the whole fan aspect away and yes, would undermine any decision we may or may not make in the future to produce such cards ourselves.
 
For my own purposes I've made cards and order counters for the Battle of the River Plate and Denmark Straits scenarios.

I'm a bit nervous about posting them up as there's probably many errors on them but I thought that others might find a use.

I was very heavily inspired by the sample cards that others have posted up on here so can't really take much, if any, of the credit for how they appear. So a big thank you goes out to those who posted cards up for giving me some ideas as to how I could make something usable in my games.

PDF Version
http://victoryatsea.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/Ships.pdf

I'm a Mac user and put them together with Pages. If anyone does want the source document then I'm happy to pass it on. PM me if you're interested.

Edited to add:
Reading the last post I don't believe that what I'm doing is a problem for Mongoose. If it is then let me know and I'll take the files right down.

I was planning on making more cards as my fleets grow and being as how I'd made the files anyway then making them available. That to me seems a bit different from offering just a few cards. So is that a problem?
 
Nice stuff, Oly

BTW, thanks for inspiring me to actually paint my navwar miniatures with your threads on the subject

Renny
 
msprange said:
The important thing is that you cannot charge for them. That takes the whole fan aspect away and yes, would undermine any decision we may or may not make in the future to produce such cards ourselves.

People giving away those same cards also undermines any ability of yours to produce anything similar yourself though does it not? You aren't really going to be in a position to sell a product for money if fans have been distributing the same thing for free.
 
pixelgeek said:
msprange said:
The important thing is that you cannot charge for them. That takes the whole fan aspect away and yes, would undermine any decision we may or may not make in the future to produce such cards ourselves.

People giving away those same cards also undermines any ability of yours to produce anything similar yourself though does it not? You aren't really going to be in a position to sell a product for money if fans have been distributing the same thing for free.

And neither can you make profit, from MGP's work, without paying a liscence. How would you feel if you created something, and you found someone charging people for something you created?
 
I'm in Law School, so take what I'm saying with a Grain of Salt (i'm not out yet ;) ).

In re: Pixelgeek's contention about the cards.
1) You can't Copywrite a series of numbers.
-True, if those numbers are otherwise meaningless. In this case though, the numbers have a specific meaning, in regard to VaC, numbers which Mongoose went to considerable expense to generate through research and playtesting. I havn't taken any IP classes, but this sounds like Intellectual Property to me. No court in the world would rule that the specific statistics generated by Mongoose were not protected intellectual property.

2) Mongoose would not be able to publish official stat-cards if user-made free ones where available.
-False. Since Mongoose makes the game, thier cards would be Official, and many consumers prefer an official product to a (admittedly) free user-made one. It would also allow Mongoose to cheaply release new ships in packs of stat-cards, in place of full new books.

General Rule - Intellectual Property isn't protected if the user-made object is made for free, and does not purport itself to be official. The originator of the IP is the only one capable of making money off of the item in question.
1)Mongoose COULD contract to allow someone else to produce the cards for money. But only Mongoose has the right to do that.

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ALSO: I made my ship sheets in excell, and break them up by class. DD, CA, BC/BB, CV and then use a pen to fill in the appropriate stats and then put them in protector sheets so I can make marks with a dry erase marker. It works very welll, though it isn't as pretty as the others I've seen.
 
Well, I really like those cards and I am willing to pay for them. Matt, I understand your point so, how bout Mongoose pays one of them an appropriate fee to design them for you and you sell them. I also know its not that simple. There are printer costs and such but it can't be that much and it would be a good source of profit. Talk to ADB and see what their cost is for the laminated cards they sell for Federation Commander. Its a similar idea.
Did I mention that I really like these cards and would pay for them and I'm sure that I am not alone. Aaaannd that I want them today! :)
 
Reaverman said:
And neither can you make profit, from MGP's work, without paying a liscence. How would you feel if you created something, and you found someone charging people for something you created?

And if you will look further up in this thread I already said (prior to Matt's comment) that if MP didn't want me to charge for them that I wouldn't.

Check out the entire debate before jumping in.

I'm a busy guy with a lot of competing priorities and the $1 I was considering charging for the cards was simply a way for me to justify prioritising them. I'm still working on a set of ACTA cards... I know how long this project will take if I don't prioritise it.

Matt doesn't want to see me charge for them (BTW Matt a pm would have sufficed as well) so I won't.

That said, I'll be doing them at a much slower pace now unless I can use InDesign to speed the process up.

This "debate" has continued not because I am adamant about charging for them but because there is a question in my mind about whether this activity is actionable on the part of MP.

Something I also thought I clarified in an earlier post.
 
pixelgeek said:
msprange said:
The important thing is that you cannot charge for them. That takes the whole fan aspect away and yes, would undermine any decision we may or may not make in the future to produce such cards ourselves.

People giving away those same cards also undermines any ability of yours to produce anything similar yourself though does it not? You aren't really going to be in a position to sell a product for money if fans have been distributing the same thing for free.
A very small proportion of total players read these forums, and speaking for my own ACTA & VAS ship viewers, I don't advertise them anywhere else. Only forum readers and maybe a couple of random internet surfers would ever find them. So I don't think my sheets being available free of charge, no matter how good or bad they are, would have a discernable impact on sales if Mongoose wanted to produce something similar.
 
Burger said:
A very small proportion of total players read these forums, and speaking for my own ACTA & VAS ship viewers, I don't advertise them anywhere else. Only forum readers and maybe a couple of random internet surfers would ever find them.

I think you'd be quite surprised by the number of people that can find something like your ship viewer via Google or a message board or Yahoo Group.

There are probably more people discussing MGP products on their own local gaming boards than discuss MGP products here.

And gamers are always eager to pass along info about free stuff
 
The traffic monitor on my web space says I'm not likely to break any records, or cause any hurt to Mongoose's potential ship card sales ;)
 
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