Shadows Vs ISA - Tips?

[Burger]

Hehe

 

[Taran]

Sheridan is listed under the Admirals section. He is a special case of an Admiral, so all the admiral rules apply to him also.

Exactly. He's a SPECIAL CASE of an admiral. HIS rules take precedence when using him as opposed to the generic rules for generic admirals.

Unfortunately, while this is made plain in every single other game I have ever played, MGP has an issue with making it clear which rules take precedence when. So the RAW are subject to interpretation until errata is issued (or the next edition finds someone with a clear, understandable command of the English language to write the rules...)

 

[Burger]

Sheridan is listed under the Admirals section. He is a special case of an Admiral, so all the admiral rules apply to him also.

Exactly. He's a SPECIAL CASE of an admiral. HIS rules take precedence when using him as opposed to the generic rules for generic admirals.

But he has no rule which overrules the generic rule that admirals must be placed on the highest PL ship.

Well its in rulesmasters now, Matt agrees with me, so

 

[GhostRecon]

one last clarification
if the admiral in question was sheridan, and the highst PL ship you field is a white star carrier (which sheridan cannot go on)

can you use sheridan on the next highest PL ship (ie a white star) or can the admiral not join this battle??

thanks in advance.

Sheridan would go on the highest PL ship he was permitted to ride in.

Sounds to me like "Nuke em" Sheridan can only ride in a Whitestar, though if a VCD was on the table, he would have to ride in that.

Either way, I don't mind; putting Sheridan in a Whitestar Carrier is better! Plenty of damage to hide him behind.

 

[Da Boss]

Sheridan is listed under the Admirals section. He is a special case of an Admiral, so all the admiral rules apply to him also.

Exactly. He's a SPECIAL CASE of an admiral. HIS rules take precedence when using him as opposed to the generic rules for generic admirals.

But he has no rule which overrules the generic rule that admirals must be placed on the highest PL ship.

Well its in rulesmasters now, Matt agrees with me, so

He has just changed his ruling slightly............now its the highest PL ship that he can go rather than the highest PL ship..............

 

[Taran]

In which case I'm right and the Special Case rules overrule the general rules...

That's good, because otherwise, Sheridan would not have been able to be fielded in any game between Raid and Armageddon level in an ISA fleet.

 

[Triggy]

In which case I'm right and the Special Case rules overrule the general rules...

That's good, because otherwise, Sheridan would not have been able to be fielded in any game between Raid and Armageddon level in an ISA fleet.

What special case?

As has been said before, there is no special case, Sheridan has his special rules in addition to the rules for Admirals. Matt Sprange has even confirmed this on the Rulemasters thread.

 

[Da Boss]

well his Special Rule just overruled the general rule about Admirals having to be on the highest priority ship.

I do think that Admirals are rarely used due to this rule............

 

[Taran]

"Sheridan would go on the highest PL ship he was permitted to ride in."

That special rule.

 

[Triggy]

My mistake, I assumed from the way people were referring to Matt's reply rather than actually reading it myself!

 

[Burger]

/sigh... Rules As Written goes out the window yet again.

 

[Da Boss]

I refer you to your last post on the Speed crit thread .................... :wink:

 

[Burger]

Yeah :lol:
But in that case the RAW are correct... speed 0 = no moving = no turns...

 

[nekomata fuyu]

It's only RAW if you say "speed 0 = moving, but you're not allowed to move because speed 0 = not moving".

 

[Tzarevitch]

Wow. No less than 2 hijackings in the same thread. :lol:

It got hijacked with the discussion of admirals then that hijacking got hijacked again to something about speed crits. I keep waiting for it to return to the original topic but it doesn't seem to be doing it on its own so here is a nudge. The OP asked about shadows vs. ISA. I think he would appreciate it if the hijacked thread was returned.

Tzarevitch

 

[Taran]

/sigh... Rules As Written goes out the window yet again.

Not so much. They just got clarified this time as to which rule in the same part of the rules takes precedence when.
The RAW are quite unfortunately riddled with unclear concepts that will hopefully be cleared up with the next book they publish...

 

[Burger]

/sigh... Rules As Written goes out the window yet again.

Not so much. They just got clarified this time as to which rule in the same part of the rules takes precedence when.
The RAW are quite unfortunately riddled with unclear concepts that will hopefully be cleared up with the next book they publish...

Yeah, thats what they said about SFoS... Armageddon... 2e...

 

[Taran]

Don't want to piss of mspange, but perhaps a different author is called for? Or maybe better editors? Or maybe choose a few Mongoose Infantry to give "Beta versions" of the next book to and see what questions they come up with...

 

[skavendan]

A nice long FAQ section would do it. I have some serious issues with the rules and i have only been playing about a month.

 

[Triggy]

Don't want to piss of mspange, but perhaps a different author is called for? Or maybe better editors? Or maybe choose a few Mongoose Infantry to give "Beta versions" of the next book to and see what questions they come up with...

It's still better than 1st ed. and although playtesters picked up loads of minor points (which all of your points are, at least grammatically), we're never going to get everything. Basically we made sure that the major concepts were as watertight as we could make them and try to spot as many smaller issues as possible.

In the end I feel it came close to a GW rule book of a few years ago (they've gotten even better since at wordings) and that isn't too bad really. Of course, we're trying to make sure the next book is crystal clear and that previous issues are clarified too