AdmiralGrafSpee said:
Indeed - it does seem as though the Feds can have ADD-of-neverending, but that does presume you have a nice, clean Kirov, not one wreathed in flames and fighting for its life!
SF - Question About Fed Combined Drone Racks
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Indeed - it does seem as though the Feds can have ADD-of-neverending, but that does presume you have a nice, clean Kirov, not one wreathed in flames and fighting for its life!
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
Depends on the battle as well. A 2000 point game with a drone squadron chucking 12-18 drones at you in one wave makes it well worth using that last 1ADD because you will not be around to fire drones later on anyway :lol:
Iron Domokun
Mongoose
But it wouldn't be in "one wave" would it? It would be three separate waves of six drones each.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
I believe that in fleets of 2000 points and over, ships can be formed into squadrons and fire as a single unit.
Fear the D6d Drone bombardment squadron :twisted:
Fear the D6d Drone bombardment squadron :twisted:
Iain McGhee
Mongoose
It'd still be "just" 2 or 3 waves of drones. Squadrons don't combine their attacks although they get to fire at the same time, so even a "wolf pack" of frigates can be deadly.
It's a good thing I wasn't drinking coffee while I was reading that....Captain Jonah said:
Iain is correct, I believe, in that it's still 3 waves of 6AD drones each not 1 wave of 18AD drones :shock: which is still impressive considering that's 3 ships attacking in one go before your opponent gets a chance to return fire. Of course, your opponent has squadrons of his own. :mrgreen:
I really want to try a 2000+ point game now.
Keeper Nilbog
Mongoose
To be fair, that's what ActA rules are designed for - Fleet Actions which are managable on the tabletop.
AdmiralGrafSpee
Mongoose
Against a target with ADD 3 waves of 6 drones is worse than one wave of 18. Gives you two chances to run out of ammo before the last ones hit!
-Tim
-Tim
So Matt, just to confirm my understanding:
1) A Kirov, for example, has 4 AD of Drones. It uses ADD mode repeatedly during the turn and is reduced to ADD 0. At that point the G-rack is out of ADDs and cannot fire ANY type of drone for the rest of the battle?
The description for G-racks in the Federation ship listings section says that if the G-rack fires in ADD mode that it gains "ammo" equal to the number of Drone AD the ship has. If the rack runs out of ammo while in ADD mode, then the ship cannot fire drones for the rest of the battle. It also cannot then later use the rack in ADD mode because the ship is out of drones (ammo 0) and trying to use ADD mode gives the "0" ammunition level?
2) If said Kirov loses some ADD ammo during a turn but is not reduced to 0, at the start of the next turn it may then again fire ADD with a ammo value of 4 (the lost ammo is magically replaced).
It seems to me that if #1 is false and #2 is true, that it's going to be really hard to knock the ADD down to 0, and then score enough hits to destroy the Kirov. Because if you don't then next turn you have to start all over again beating down that magically restored ADD ammo of "4". For sure, one had best concentrate a ton of drones on it to make sure you kill it.
1) A Kirov, for example, has 4 AD of Drones. It uses ADD mode repeatedly during the turn and is reduced to ADD 0. At that point the G-rack is out of ADDs and cannot fire ANY type of drone for the rest of the battle?
The description for G-racks in the Federation ship listings section says that if the G-rack fires in ADD mode that it gains "ammo" equal to the number of Drone AD the ship has. If the rack runs out of ammo while in ADD mode, then the ship cannot fire drones for the rest of the battle. It also cannot then later use the rack in ADD mode because the ship is out of drones (ammo 0) and trying to use ADD mode gives the "0" ammunition level?
2) If said Kirov loses some ADD ammo during a turn but is not reduced to 0, at the start of the next turn it may then again fire ADD with a ammo value of 4 (the lost ammo is magically replaced).
It seems to me that if #1 is false and #2 is true, that it's going to be really hard to knock the ADD down to 0, and then score enough hits to destroy the Kirov. Because if you don't then next turn you have to start all over again beating down that magically restored ADD ammo of "4". For sure, one had best concentrate a ton of drones on it to make sure you kill it.
Greg Smith
Mongoose
billclo said:
Or use your drones to kill off everything else and hit the Kirov with phasers and disruptors.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
1 is true, if you reduce the ADD to 0 zero ammo by fightiung off a huge number of drone waves (or your dice are having a bad day) you can no longer fire ADD OR Drones.
2 Seems to be true also, several quotes and comments from Matt support this, he directly quoted the comment about each turn your ADD is based on your Drone score of 4 each turn.
Now that makes the bigger fed ships almost imune to Drones except as the target of an entire fleets firepower since you cannot wear down the ADD if it resets each new turn.
Though that still leaves, heavy weapons and phasers and with IDF being a bit crap the BC or DN is unlikely to be defending anyone else with its ADDs of never ending.
2 Seems to be true also, several quotes and comments from Matt support this, he directly quoted the comment about each turn your ADD is based on your Drone score of 4 each turn.
Now that makes the bigger fed ships almost imune to Drones except as the target of an entire fleets firepower since you cannot wear down the ADD if it resets each new turn.
Though that still leaves, heavy weapons and phasers and with IDF being a bit crap the BC or DN is unlikely to be defending anyone else with its ADDs of never ending.
DaemonBorn
Mongoose
msprange said:
Erm I don't want to sound petulant but the rule for Combined drone racks doesn't clearly state "if your ADD reaches zero, you can no longer use any drones". (If it did there wouldn't have been any confusion)
What it does say is:
"However, if it RUNS OUT OF AMMUNITION while using the Anti-drone trait, then it may not use any drones for the rest of the battle."
While the Anti-drone trait says:
"If any die rolls a 1, an Attack Dice of drones will be destroyed as normal but the system will then RUN OUT OF AMMUNITION, reducing the anti-drone score by 1".
This is what's lead many people (myself included) to link the reduction of anti-drone trait to a reduction of weapon AD.
So I would suggest re-phrasing it to "However, if it COMPLETELY runs out of ammunition etc etc"
Sorry rant over, I'll shut up now.
Captain Jonah
Mongoose
I had a thought about criticals and Fed G racks.
With Fed ships such as the DW. The ship has Photon 3AD on one line and Drone 1AD on another line. Each is a seperate weapon system.
When it is converted to a DWD does it then have Drone 3AD on one line and Drone 1AD on another line so it could have some but not all of its drones lost to a critical hit to weapons or does it have one weapon system Drone 4AD?
This applies also to its G-rack being used as an ADD since it could lose Drone 3 and be left with an effective ADD1 which would then become useless on rolling a single one.
Also for Orion ships with option weapon mounts.
With Fed ships such as the DW. The ship has Photon 3AD on one line and Drone 1AD on another line. Each is a seperate weapon system.
When it is converted to a DWD does it then have Drone 3AD on one line and Drone 1AD on another line so it could have some but not all of its drones lost to a critical hit to weapons or does it have one weapon system Drone 4AD?
This applies also to its G-rack being used as an ADD since it could lose Drone 3 and be left with an effective ADD1 which would then become useless on rolling a single one.
Also for Orion ships with option weapon mounts.
dalek4890l
Mongoose
I think a 3AD line and a 1AD line. Just because losing all of your non-phaser weaponry to a single critical seems a bit unfair. From a logical point of view I would say that as the new 3AD of drone you get are where the photons were and so use their power relays etc. so a hit in this area wouldn't affect the other drone system.
Having said that the official answer is probably a single line with 4AD of drones
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Having said that the official answer is probably a single line with 4AD of drones
.I am almost positive the text for the DWD say increase Drone to 4 and remove Photons. If that it is right it is one weapon system with 4 drone so it is all or none.
The New Jersey on the other hand has 2 lines of Photons because it says replace to drones with Photons not increase Photons.
Edit: Added the word has to New Jersey's line.
The New Jersey on the other hand has 2 lines of Photons because it says replace to drones with Photons not increase Photons.
Edit: Added the word has to New Jersey's line.
