Second Edition - Comments Wanted!
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IanBruntlett
Emperor Mongoose
Thanks. Looks like I've got a reasonably OK High Guard. All I have to do is print the errata and update it by hand.AndrewW said:
About Mercenary. Are there any gotchas about this?
nats
Banded Mongoose
Although I applaud your plans to correct and expand earlier editions of your books I have to wonder how good a marketing idea it is. I for one would like to buy the CSC, High Guard, Traders and Gunboats and possibly a few other books over the next few months, but I am not sure it would be a good idea if you are planning to update some or all of them. I would rather wait...
So from my point of view as soon as you can get your definitive list of planned revised 2nd editions sorted the better.
So from my point of view as soon as you can get your definitive list of planned revised 2nd editions sorted the better.
nats said:
You are quite right, that _does_ hurt us a little.
The flip side is that we are open and honest about what we are thinking of doing, and we genuinely want to make the game as good as it can be. We also want to know what you chaps think, and we can't do that unless we let you know what we are thinking. Horses for courses.
However, I can say that if we made a decision to do a second edition of a book right _now_, it would not appear until the last quarter of this year at best.
Oh, and Traders & Gunboats is not under consideration for a second edition
Rusty_Unycorn
Mongoose
I know this isn't properly a second edition request... But can we please get a Darrian glossary/mini-dictionary?! I'm dying for one!
*wanders off twitching from the lack of a glossary for her favorite race*
*wanders off twitching from the lack of a glossary for her favorite race*
I know it's been said before, but it bears repeating; Robot Book 9 needs a complete overhaul of the creation system, with working examples and a comprehensive table of contents for the PDF version. This is the bare minimum required to make this book anything more than a fluff piece.
I had a player who had doubts about being able to attend all of our sessions, and was jaded by his bad experiences with D&D 4e. However he had a brilliant idea of playing an eccentric AI in residence on our group's ship, which would randomly (when he could join us irl) turn on and join the group.
I would have loved to have him playing his mashup of the Heart-of-Gold/Marvin/Ede lovechild AI, but I had to spend so much time trying to house rule and brute force the system that he became convinced that all of MGT is a big crunchy mess, and lost interest.
So much of the draw to this system for me and my group is the flexible framework. However flexibility can only be maintained if there is a strength and consistency at its core, and Book 9, Robot, is decidedly not that.
I had a player who had doubts about being able to attend all of our sessions, and was jaded by his bad experiences with D&D 4e. However he had a brilliant idea of playing an eccentric AI in residence on our group's ship, which would randomly (when he could join us irl) turn on and join the group.
I would have loved to have him playing his mashup of the Heart-of-Gold/Marvin/Ede lovechild AI, but I had to spend so much time trying to house rule and brute force the system that he became convinced that all of MGT is a big crunchy mess, and lost interest.
So much of the draw to this system for me and my group is the flexible framework. However flexibility can only be maintained if there is a strength and consistency at its core, and Book 9, Robot, is decidedly not that.
Lord High Munchkin
Mongoose
The other robot book (the German one) is way better for actual use. That said I do mix bits from both.
Chernobyl said:
There's a reason for that. Apparently the author of the SM book had fully updated world stats and trade codes worked out, fixing all the inconsistencies, but Marc killed it. He required that only the original stats from Supplement 3 could be used regardless of consistency with the MGT rules set and including any mistakes in the original data. Nothing Mongoose could do.
Simon Hibbs
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
Clear case of psychohistory.
Lord High Munchkin
Mongoose
No, it's available in English (It's on Drivethru). Very nice product.Simonsays said:
It is specifically for the 3rd Imperium setting, not generic like Book 9, so some adaption/dumping of some information will be required if you don't use the 3rd Imperium setting.
GypsyComet
Emperor Mongoose
There is a slippery slope here, given the generic vs specific dichotomy of Mongoose Traveller. The setting-specific books for a given setting should have some unified vision, but the generic books should present a broader canvas of options. There is certainly errata to be applied and possibly some clarification written, but the generic books should not be "corrected" to become just Third Imperium books in effect or name.
Lord High Munchkin
Mongoose
I totally agree... the Third Imperium isn't 'Traveller', just one of it's settings.GypsyComet said:
Many people don't even use the Third Imperium (I don't, and no-one I know does either), that's the joy of the "Black Books".
I like the idea of expanded and proofread second editions…BUT.
I only play in the 2300AD and Orbital settings (I'm interested in the Prime Directive setting as well as the briefly mentioned Aliens/Predator setting). So any 2nd Edition has to be helpful in those settings as well. That's why alternative options must be included and the tech made more variable and generic. Making the whole system more flexible and modular would be a great benefit.
Thanks
Benjamin Lecrone
I only play in the 2300AD and Orbital settings (I'm interested in the Prime Directive setting as well as the briefly mentioned Aliens/Predator setting). So any 2nd Edition has to be helpful in those settings as well. That's why alternative options must be included and the tech made more variable and generic. Making the whole system more flexible and modular would be a great benefit.
Thanks
Benjamin Lecrone
Yes, with CSC & Robot as highest priority. Fix armour and weapon inconsistencies as has been said many times. Weapons and armour are fundamental to almost all rpg's. Slots for robots and the various frame types & add-ons needs an overhaul, it's almost impossible to build commonly accepted Traveller robots or indeed even today's TL7-8 robots.
High Guard isn't as much of a priority, most of it works just fine (yes a 2nd Ed would still be nice). Vehicles is probably more urgent, most of that is borked, especially the core concept of the badly defined "spaces". Traveller players prefer plausible, considered, consistent absolutes to vagaries as far as possible. :wink:
High Guard isn't as much of a priority, most of it works just fine (yes a 2nd Ed would still be nice). Vehicles is probably more urgent, most of that is borked, especially the core concept of the badly defined "spaces". Traveller players prefer plausible, considered, consistent absolutes to vagaries as far as possible. :wink:
GypsyComet
Emperor Mongoose
mr31337 said:
High Guard needs to be smoothly compatible with the Core Book, and needs at least another paragraph or three of explanations in character generation. I'm sure the design sequences and combat chapters could use a bit of "Wait, I thought we wrote that in. Where is it?" as well. Most rule sets do.
High Guard is on the cards for a second edition, but we are likely looking at 2015, so don't panic
We are, however, currently working on Mercenary second edition and, speaking purely for myself, if you fancy any type of mercenary/military campaign, this book is going to rock
We are, however, currently working on Mercenary second edition and, speaking purely for myself, if you fancy any type of mercenary/military campaign, this book is going to rock
Condottiere
Emperor Mongoose
1. So Mercenary is the book to be dissected first, before it can be petrified.
2. As regards High Guard, the capital ship bridge also needs a tighter definition, since the wording implies you actually only need point five percent to control it, and while the other modules are constructed, you could interpret it as they could be used for other purposes, such as flag, back-up, and/or damage control. And then whether they could be placed randomly around the ship, or have to be centralized together.
2. As regards High Guard, the capital ship bridge also needs a tighter definition, since the wording implies you actually only need point five percent to control it, and while the other modules are constructed, you could interpret it as they could be used for other purposes, such as flag, back-up, and/or damage control. And then whether they could be placed randomly around the ship, or have to be centralized together.
Egil Skallagrimsson
Mongoose
mr31337 said:
I've been grumbling on about CSC for years now, and the only way I could get Robots to work was to ignore it and write house rules, but as we mainly play 3I, and the Robots book is orientated towards some more generic, but definitely Robot-centric universe, that is not a problem.
However, don't agree about Vehicles. It's already on its second edition, which is much better than the first, and much more playable, the "spaces" may be inelegant, but work well in practice.
Egil
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